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It does to me. > Milwaukee police have used Google geofence warrants to solve an array of crimes, including homicides, shootings, a string of robberies and kid

It does to me. > Milwaukee police have used Google geofence warrants to solve an array of crimes, including homicides, shootings, a string of robberies and kidnappings and a sexual assault involving an abduction, he said. “I would think the majority of citizens in the world would love the fact that we are putting violent offenders in jail,” Armbruster said. I would be willing to endure what Zachary McCoy endured to prevent one homicide, kidnapping, or sexual assault. (Robberies too I suppose although that seems less urgent.) When Snowden revealed that the NSA already has the "dirty laundry" of the vast majority of criminals on file I almost felt sorry for them (the criminals, not the NSA.) At this point crime is only possible because we let it happen. Privacy is dead so why not have a crime-free world as well?

mindslight 7y ago
> Privacy is dead so why not have a crime-free world as well? Crime never disappears completely, it just pivots to operating within the current enforcement model. See: Minority Report. The police destroying a house for fun, discussed upthread, is a good real-world example as well. Also that first bit is blatantly overstated. Sure it's likely a lost battle with all the surveillance going on in public (although a commercial privacy law would go pretty far). But there is still plenty of privacy left in our personal lives. And make no mistake, declaring "privacy is dead" is a surefire way to move the battle front deeper into our personal lives.
- carapace 7y ago
  I'm not advocating for the death of privacy but, to me, the writing is on the wall. Technology makes it feasible and the political and economic benefits are too great and too many people are apathetic or complacent. > But there is still plenty of privacy left in our personal lives. This is unsupportable IMO as nearly everyone is carrying supercomputers with advanced sensors programmed to surveil them, etc. The battle for privacy was over when the microchip was invented. - - - - > Crime never disappears completely, it just pivots to operating within the current enforcement model. That may not be true, I say let's find out, since we're losing our privacy anyway. > See: Minority Report. No, that's fiction. It's good, have you read it? But it's really more about the meta-physics of free will than anything to do with actual IRL surveillance and policing. > The police destroying a house for fun, discussed upthread, is a good real-world example as well. That's also crime. The sensors and computers are a given, the policy isn't (note the similarity of that word to "police"? That's not a coincidence.)

mindslight 7y ago

> Privacy is dead so why not have a crime-free world as well? Crime never disappears completely, it just pivots to operating within the current enforcement model. See: Minority Report. The police destroying a house for fun, discussed upthread, is a good real-world example as well. Also that first bit is blatantly overstated. Sure it's likely a lost battle with all the surveillance going on in public (although a commercial privacy law would go pretty far). But there is still plenty of privacy left in our personal lives. And make no mistake, declaring "privacy is dead" is a surefire way to move the battle front deeper into our personal lives.

carapace 7y ago
I'm not advocating for the death of privacy but, to me, the writing is on the wall. Technology makes it feasible and the political and economic benefits are too great and too many people are apathetic or complacent. > But there is still plenty of privacy left in our personal lives. This is unsupportable IMO as nearly everyone is carrying supercomputers with advanced sensors programmed to surveil them, etc. The battle for privacy was over when the microchip was invented. - - - - > Crime never disappears completely, it just pivots to operating within the current enforcement model. That may not be true, I say let's find out, since we're losing our privacy anyway. > See: Minority Report. No, that's fiction. It's good, have you read it? But it's really more about the meta-physics of free will than anything to do with actual IRL surveillance and policing. > The police destroying a house for fun, discussed upthread, is a good real-world example as well. That's also crime. The sensors and computers are a given, the policy isn't (note the similarity of that word to "police"? That's not a coincidence.)