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And also cleared him, for what that's worth. If this concerns you, go [here](https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols https://myaccount.google.com/activity

And also cleared him, for what that's worth. If this concerns you, go [here](https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols) and disable location history.

gbrown 7y ago
> And also cleared him He's lucky an overzealous prosecutor didn't go after him anyway.
- augustocallejas 7y ago
  Also lucky his parents had money to pay for a lawyer: > So he went to his parents’ home in St. Augustine, where, over dinner, he told them what was happening. They agreed to dip into their savings to pay for a lawyer.
  - michaelmrose 7y ago
    This is WHY they didn't go after him anyway. If your goal is to turn resources into results the best roi is to punish anyone they can plausibly accuse and threaten into taking a plea.
  - trophycase 7y ago
    I guess the silver lining here is that perhaps another person has finally learned about the value of privacy. And that "nothing to hide" is bullshit
Thorrez 7y ago
Make sure you also disable Web & App Activity (on that same page). > Important: If you have other settings like Web & App Activity turned on and you pause Location History or delete location data from Location History, you may still have location data saved in your Google Account as part of your use of other Google sites, apps, and services. https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3118687 https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3118687
ilamont 7y ago
"Explore your timeline. Rediscover the places you’ve been and the routes you’ve traveled in your timeline. Only you can see your timeline." Based on TFA, this statement is untrue.
northz 7y ago
[citation needed] there is no official word from Google saying that disabling location history disables sensorvault. As far as I know, sensorvault is originally sourced from "improve location accuracy" events sent by the phone (hence the original name: sensorvault and not userlocation-vault), and kept "anonymized" until request for de-anonymization by law enforcement.
kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
Google has a shit-ton of dark patterns making it hard to turn it off completely. Maps will refuse to center on your location even though the phone has a GPS lock and the blue pip is right where it is supposed to be. You can restrict data to three months which would have been helpful here.
- llacb47 7y ago
  Not true...
- asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
  Just tried turning off all these settings and maps still centers for me just fine. Can you post a video of this happening? Are you sure you haven't denied your location to Google Maps on your phone entirely?
  - kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
    It comes and goes intermittently.
sneak 7y ago
Google will still track your coarse location by geolocation history of your IP. You cannot continue to use any of these services and opt out of location surveillance.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
  Citation? I do not believe this is true, but I'd be happy to learn of evidence to the contrary.
cortesoft 7y ago
Yeah, but it cost him several thousand dollars to fight something he shouldn't have had to fight. Would we be ok if the police just randomly fined people $2000 bucks for no reason? That is basically what happened here.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
  He didn't have to fight them getting his location data. It was a choice he made.
  - MereInterest 7y ago
    Wanting privacy on your daily bikeride is a $2000 choice? Wanting to prevent police overreach into your daily life is a $2000 choice? No, not at all. Quit blaming the victim.
    - asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
      Personally I don't have any problem with geofenced warrants. I actually think they are a pretty great idea. So I would more say that he spent $2000 pointlessly. What would likely have happened if he hadn't fought it is the prosecutors would have gotten the data, seen who he was, and been like, nah, not our guy. They don't just go and arrest every single person who has been in a geofenced region when they get these warrants. They use it to look for who might be worth additional investigation.
      - dmix 7y ago
        You need to spend some time googling “wrongful convictions” there’s literally thousands of these cases and who knows how many we don’t know about. The further we broaden police powers to dragnets the more innocent people will be within their crosshairs and have to be “filtered” out, often at the accused expense. Next watch some “first day in jail” videos on Netflix and see the ridiculous stuff that gets people in scary overfilled jails, even for small even legitimate reasons and it’s enough to make it obvious there’s a serious problem with justice and law enforcement in the US. One of the worst that affected me was an older middle class guy who ended up spending months in jail because he lost his job and at some point in the last 5yrs had a kid with some woman he met on a christian dating site who refused to have an abortion. The courts eventually ruled and said he owed $4k+ in child support in a short time span (a month?) otherwise you’re going to jail, when he was already struggling to live having lost his job. He was one of the few white guys, the stories of the black kids (most looked straight out of highschool) were often even smaller and even dumber reasons which immediately exposes them to living with other real criminals for extended periods of times which they then become friends with... etc. The US is extremely punitive and the use of jails/prisons and stupid bail schemes is beyond excessive. That makes wrongful convictions all that much worse. Which all happens well before the trials even start.
JensRex 7y ago
Better go to where you can delete your Google account entirely. It's baffling to me that people would voluntarily submit themselves to the kind of invasive surveilance Google conducts.
qilo 7y ago
It’s not certain that the guy had Location History enabled. In the article he only talks about Location Services (enhancing precision using WiFi and/or Bluetooth).

And also cleared him, for what that's worth. If this concerns you, go [here](https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols https://myaccount.google.com/activitycontrols) and disable location history.

gbrown 7y ago

> And also cleared him He's lucky an overzealous prosecutor didn't go after him anyway.

augustocallejas 7y ago
Also lucky his parents had money to pay for a lawyer: > So he went to his parents’ home in St. Augustine, where, over dinner, he told them what was happening. They agreed to dip into their savings to pay for a lawyer.
- michaelmrose 7y ago
  This is WHY they didn't go after him anyway. If your goal is to turn resources into results the best roi is to punish anyone they can plausibly accuse and threaten into taking a plea.
- trophycase 7y ago
  I guess the silver lining here is that perhaps another person has finally learned about the value of privacy. And that "nothing to hide" is bullshit

Thorrez 7y ago

Make sure you also disable Web & App Activity (on that same page). > Important: If you have other settings like Web & App Activity turned on and you pause Location History or delete location data from Location History, you may still have location data saved in your Google Account as part of your use of other Google sites, apps, and services. https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3118687 https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3118687

ilamont 7y ago

"Explore your timeline. Rediscover the places you’ve been and the routes you’ve traveled in your timeline. Only you can see your timeline." Based on TFA, this statement is untrue.

northz 7y ago

[citation needed] there is no official word from Google saying that disabling location history disables sensorvault. As far as I know, sensorvault is originally sourced from "improve location accuracy" events sent by the phone (hence the original name: sensorvault and not userlocation-vault), and kept "anonymized" until request for de-anonymization by law enforcement.

kevin_thibedeau 7y ago

Google has a shit-ton of dark patterns making it hard to turn it off completely. Maps will refuse to center on your location even though the phone has a GPS lock and the blue pip is right where it is supposed to be. You can restrict data to three months which would have been helpful here.

llacb47 7y ago
Not true...
asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
Just tried turning off all these settings and maps still centers for me just fine. Can you post a video of this happening? Are you sure you haven't denied your location to Google Maps on your phone entirely?
- kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
  It comes and goes intermittently.

sneak 7y ago

Google will still track your coarse location by geolocation history of your IP. You cannot continue to use any of these services and opt out of location surveillance.

asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
Citation? I do not believe this is true, but I'd be happy to learn of evidence to the contrary.

cortesoft 7y ago

Yeah, but it cost him several thousand dollars to fight something he shouldn't have had to fight. Would we be ok if the police just randomly fined people $2000 bucks for no reason? That is basically what happened here.

asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
He didn't have to fight them getting his location data. It was a choice he made.
- MereInterest 7y ago
  Wanting privacy on your daily bikeride is a $2000 choice? Wanting to prevent police overreach into your daily life is a $2000 choice? No, not at all. Quit blaming the victim.
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
    Personally I don't have any problem with geofenced warrants. I actually think they are a pretty great idea. So I would more say that he spent $2000 pointlessly. What would likely have happened if he hadn't fought it is the prosecutors would have gotten the data, seen who he was, and been like, nah, not our guy. They don't just go and arrest every single person who has been in a geofenced region when they get these warrants. They use it to look for who might be worth additional investigation.
    - dmix 7y ago
      You need to spend some time googling “wrongful convictions” there’s literally thousands of these cases and who knows how many we don’t know about. The further we broaden police powers to dragnets the more innocent people will be within their crosshairs and have to be “filtered” out, often at the accused expense. Next watch some “first day in jail” videos on Netflix and see the ridiculous stuff that gets people in scary overfilled jails, even for small even legitimate reasons and it’s enough to make it obvious there’s a serious problem with justice and law enforcement in the US. One of the worst that affected me was an older middle class guy who ended up spending months in jail because he lost his job and at some point in the last 5yrs had a kid with some woman he met on a christian dating site who refused to have an abortion. The courts eventually ruled and said he owed $4k+ in child support in a short time span (a month?) otherwise you’re going to jail, when he was already struggling to live having lost his job. He was one of the few white guys, the stories of the black kids (most looked straight out of highschool) were often even smaller and even dumber reasons which immediately exposes them to living with other real criminals for extended periods of times which they then become friends with... etc. The US is extremely punitive and the use of jails/prisons and stupid bail schemes is beyond excessive. That makes wrongful convictions all that much worse. Which all happens well before the trials even start.

JensRex 7y ago

Better go to where you can delete your Google account entirely. It's baffling to me that people would voluntarily submit themselves to the kind of invasive surveilance Google conducts.

qilo 7y ago

It’s not certain that the guy had Location History enabled. In the article he only talks about Location Services (enhancing precision using WiFi and/or Bluetooth).