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Quote: "You’re going to be browsing the web anyway; you’re going to be inundated with ads anyway;" Naaaah, Firefox with uBlock Origins and Privacy Badger makes

Quote: "You’re going to be browsing the web anyway; you’re going to be inundated with ads anyway;" Naaaah, Firefox with uBlock Origins and Privacy Badger makes sure I don't see ads, but thank you for trying.

nunodonato 7y ago
this. so much this. the web is so clean with firefox, everytime I read these kind of articles or people complaining I'm like "what are you talking about?"
- 12bits 7y ago
  To the credit of the author they did mention "I personally use an aggressive battery of ad blocking techniques to eliminate them from my browser too"
MuffinFlavored 7y ago
Can a similar level of privacy be reached through extensions with Safari on iOS or Chrome on Mac?
- mrtksn 7y ago
  Yes. I use safari on both, never see any ads and often get disappointed that I can’t be outraged when a post pops up about how we can see how FB/Google tracks us. On mac I use adGuard, in iOS I use Refine content blocker.
- Marsymars 7y ago
  With Safari, no, iOS/macOS content blockers are significantly less powerful than uBlock Origin. With Chrome, yes, as long as it continues to support uBlock Origin and you don't count its built-in communication with Google.
- lucasverra 7y ago
  i use nextdns.io to block at os level vpn. its free and they are partners of mozilla, so good enought for me. When I asked why should i trust them with my dns request they told me that i should not do it lightly.
- jshevek 7y ago
  I would say no, more information here: https://www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/pubs/browser_privacy.pdf https://www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/pubs/browser_privacy.pdf
webmobdev 7y ago
Exactly - add uMatrix to the picture and it decreases page load time and gives you even more control over what can load in a website. I am tired of this constant social media promotion of this clone of a browser that is built to support the online advertising industry (an industry that constantly "innovates" to violate our privacy while irritating us in the process).
- faitswulff 7y ago
  As a casual uBlock user, what does uMatrix give you that uBlock Origin doesn’t?
  - dghughes 7y ago
    uMatrix gives you a drop down that shows a grid showing css, scripts, media, cookies, images,frames, XHR, other. Blocked by default you allow what you want. I'm still figuring it out but it's more granular than merely off or on.
    - purerandomness 7y ago
      Isn't that uBlock's advanced mode? (Settings->'I am an advanced user')?
      - kd913 7y ago
        The developer himself states it's better to use that than in combo with umatrix. https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/706xrr/umatrix_vs_ublock_origin_medium_blocking_mode/dn1goxr/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/706xrr/umatrix_vs_...
    - Jaruzel 7y ago
      Doesn't uBlock's filter-picker-eyedrop-thing do more or less the same thing?
      - leppr 7y ago
scrozart 7y ago
The author isn't selling Brave. They mention themselves that they use FF with ad blockers.
- unnouinceput 7y ago
  I understood that. In that particular quote, author was playing Devil's advocate, except it's not working.
EastSmith 7y ago
For casual users, out of the box experience - the default - is way more important. I can not recommend Firefox for my relatives. Brave I can and I do.
GoofballJones 7y ago
Plus, on Mac OS I run Little Snitch with a set of custom blocking rules that's updated on a regular basis. Also, at this point, I don't trust anything based on Chromium...even if it's all open-source etc. The last time I checked, it still phoned home to Google some telemetry data. Granted, I haven't looked into it for a while as I've turned my back on all things Google a while ago.
- lucasverra 7y ago
  You can swith to edgium to equilibrate
krebs_liebhaber 7y ago
The best thing about Brave is that all of the ad / tracker blocking is built into the browser itself - it's noticeably faster than any extension. The blog posts about the implementation make an interesting read: https://brave.com/improved-ad-blocker-performance/ https://brave.com/improved-ad-blocker-performance/
- bad_user 7y ago
  I never notice performance problems with my Firefox, except for Gmail (which sucks in Chrome too). And uBlock Origin is pretty well optimized already, I'm actually skeptical that Brave can be much better. Is this an actual thing that's noticeable by people? What is more noticeable to me is that projects like uBlock Origin are entirely community driven and thus less likely to succumb to monetization schemes like "acceptable ads". Plus I trust Firefox itself more than I trust Brave, because Firefox has been with me ever since 2005 when I started my career.
- travisgriggs 7y ago
  Ditto. I use Brave everywhere, from desktop to iOS. I do not use their BAT thing at all, so my praise is not incentivized. I love the page that shows me time saved/ads blocked/redirects/etc. I'm sure the time saved stat is highly questionable, it's only as good as heuristics in it, but it's fun. Anecdotally, last summer, we were vacationing on the Oregon coast, where the service was really poor. I experienced multiple cases where safari (on iOS) just was not going to load any time soon if ever, but brave did and handily. IIUC, Brave is using the same low level rendering engine that safari is, but the top part (UI and request handling) is different. I think it's cool that Firefox users have lots of knobs and buttons they can turn and push, but for right now I value that the Brave experience is an ad-less experience that Just Works out of the box.

nunodonato 7y ago

this. so much this. the web is so clean with firefox, everytime I read these kind of articles or people complaining I'm like "what are you talking about?"

12bits 7y ago
To the credit of the author they did mention "I personally use an aggressive battery of ad blocking techniques to eliminate them from my browser too"

MuffinFlavored 7y ago

Can a similar level of privacy be reached through extensions with Safari on iOS or Chrome on Mac?

mrtksn 7y ago
Yes. I use safari on both, never see any ads and often get disappointed that I can’t be outraged when a post pops up about how we can see how FB/Google tracks us. On mac I use adGuard, in iOS I use Refine content blocker.
Marsymars 7y ago
With Safari, no, iOS/macOS content blockers are significantly less powerful than uBlock Origin. With Chrome, yes, as long as it continues to support uBlock Origin and you don't count its built-in communication with Google.
lucasverra 7y ago
i use nextdns.io to block at os level vpn. its free and they are partners of mozilla, so good enought for me. When I asked why should i trust them with my dns request they told me that i should not do it lightly.
jshevek 7y ago
I would say no, more information here: https://www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/pubs/browser_privacy.pdf https://www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/pubs/browser_privacy.pdf

webmobdev 7y ago

Exactly - add uMatrix to the picture and it decreases page load time and gives you even more control over what can load in a website. I am tired of this constant social media promotion of this clone of a browser that is built to support the online advertising industry (an industry that constantly "innovates" to violate our privacy while irritating us in the process).

faitswulff 7y ago
As a casual uBlock user, what does uMatrix give you that uBlock Origin doesn’t?
- dghughes 7y ago
  uMatrix gives you a drop down that shows a grid showing css, scripts, media, cookies, images,frames, XHR, other. Blocked by default you allow what you want. I'm still figuring it out but it's more granular than merely off or on.
  - purerandomness 7y ago
    Isn't that uBlock's advanced mode? (Settings->'I am an advanced user')?
    - kd913 7y ago
      The developer himself states it's better to use that than in combo with umatrix. https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/706xrr/umatrix_vs_ublock_origin_medium_blocking_mode/dn1goxr/ https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/706xrr/umatrix_vs_...
  - Jaruzel 7y ago
    Doesn't uBlock's filter-picker-eyedrop-thing do more or less the same thing?
    - leppr 7y ago

scrozart 7y ago

The author isn't selling Brave. They mention themselves that they use FF with ad blockers.

unnouinceput 7y ago
I understood that. In that particular quote, author was playing Devil's advocate, except it's not working.

EastSmith 7y ago

For casual users, out of the box experience - the default - is way more important. I can not recommend Firefox for my relatives. Brave I can and I do.

GoofballJones 7y ago

Plus, on Mac OS I run Little Snitch with a set of custom blocking rules that's updated on a regular basis. Also, at this point, I don't trust anything based on Chromium...even if it's all open-source etc. The last time I checked, it still phoned home to Google some telemetry data. Granted, I haven't looked into it for a while as I've turned my back on all things Google a while ago.

lucasverra 7y ago
You can swith to edgium to equilibrate

krebs_liebhaber 7y ago

The best thing about Brave is that all of the ad / tracker blocking is built into the browser itself - it's noticeably faster than any extension. The blog posts about the implementation make an interesting read: https://brave.com/improved-ad-blocker-performance/ https://brave.com/improved-ad-blocker-performance/

bad_user 7y ago
I never notice performance problems with my Firefox, except for Gmail (which sucks in Chrome too). And uBlock Origin is pretty well optimized already, I'm actually skeptical that Brave can be much better. Is this an actual thing that's noticeable by people? What is more noticeable to me is that projects like uBlock Origin are entirely community driven and thus less likely to succumb to monetization schemes like "acceptable ads". Plus I trust Firefox itself more than I trust Brave, because Firefox has been with me ever since 2005 when I started my career.
travisgriggs 7y ago
Ditto. I use Brave everywhere, from desktop to iOS. I do not use their BAT thing at all, so my praise is not incentivized. I love the page that shows me time saved/ads blocked/redirects/etc. I'm sure the time saved stat is highly questionable, it's only as good as heuristics in it, but it's fun. Anecdotally, last summer, we were vacationing on the Oregon coast, where the service was really poor. I experienced multiple cases where safari (on iOS) just was not going to load any time soon if ever, but brave did and handily. IIUC, Brave is using the same low level rendering engine that safari is, but the top part (UI and request handling) is different. I think it's cool that Firefox users have lots of knobs and buttons they can turn and push, but for right now I value that the Brave experience is an ad-less experience that Just Works out of the box.