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Funny, I would say that's probably the most powerful and impactful thing a person could learn. Better then being force-fed every math concept in existence. And

Funny, I would say that's probably the most powerful and impactful thing a person could learn. Better then being force-fed every math concept in existence. And how would people learn to self-study without incentive and opertunity?

watwut 7y ago
Purely online courses have huge failure rates - even when paid for and run through same university as in person variant. That is simply how humans work currently. The younger the kid, the worst it will be. Incentive and opportunity is something quite different then "there is no other option".
- icedata 7y ago
  There's the issue. What we need is complete automation, with fully automated machine-learning based students. This will help vendors attract more users and raise additional capital, and keep people employed.
101404 7y ago
If they learn it. Possible in a healthy family setting. But impossible if you already grow up in a dysfunctional family. It would make sure to keep kids from "low class" families right there for another generation.
- watwut 7y ago
  "Healthy family setting" here means that one parent has to be the teacher. Even in middle and higher class, that still requires massive investment in time and effort, way more then when kid goes to school. And it also requires not just resources, but also parent that could be good teacher. And even among richer people, not every parent would be good teacher, quite a lot would sux at it.
candu 7y ago
There's an assumption here that one can easily self-learn to self-study. It might be true for some proportion of HN readers, but it's not clear that this generalizes. After all, those of us who self-study are often learning programming-related topics for which there is both abundant online documentation and clear, objective feedback on progress. We also tend, as a community, to have reliable access to the necessary technology, large amounts of disposable income (and security of leisure time that comes with it), a high level of prior expertise, and exposure to role models in self-learning. It's easy to take these things for granted, but they all certainly help in developing self-study habits. As much as I might personally like to see everyone be more self-driven and self-reliant in learning, I share the concern expressed elsewhere in this thread as to what the impact of a sudden shift to remote learning would be on equitable access to education.

watwut 7y ago

Purely online courses have huge failure rates - even when paid for and run through same university as in person variant. That is simply how humans work currently. The younger the kid, the worst it will be. Incentive and opportunity is something quite different then "there is no other option".

icedata 7y ago
There's the issue. What we need is complete automation, with fully automated machine-learning based students. This will help vendors attract more users and raise additional capital, and keep people employed.

101404 7y ago

If they learn it. Possible in a healthy family setting. But impossible if you already grow up in a dysfunctional family. It would make sure to keep kids from "low class" families right there for another generation.

watwut 7y ago
"Healthy family setting" here means that one parent has to be the teacher. Even in middle and higher class, that still requires massive investment in time and effort, way more then when kid goes to school. And it also requires not just resources, but also parent that could be good teacher. And even among richer people, not every parent would be good teacher, quite a lot would sux at it.

candu 7y ago

There's an assumption here that one can easily self-learn to self-study. It might be true for some proportion of HN readers, but it's not clear that this generalizes. After all, those of us who self-study are often learning programming-related topics for which there is both abundant online documentation and clear, objective feedback on progress. We also tend, as a community, to have reliable access to the necessary technology, large amounts of disposable income (and security of leisure time that comes with it), a high level of prior expertise, and exposure to role models in self-learning. It's easy to take these things for granted, but they all certainly help in developing self-study habits. As much as I might personally like to see everyone be more self-driven and self-reliant in learning, I share the concern expressed elsewhere in this thread as to what the impact of a sudden shift to remote learning would be on equitable access to education.