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Isn't the reason for getting upset because nobody else is using mental models?

by warlog 7y ago

Benjammer 7y ago
If you thought it was contentious before, just wait until you start lecturing everyone about how they suck at thinking... That's sure going to improve the emotional situation.
- nerdponx 7y ago
  The point isn't to tell people how to think. It helps you think clearly even when everyone around you isn't. And it helps you empathize with, and therefore communicate better with, the people around you.
- wisty 7y ago
  Logical fallacies don't have to be directly stated (unless you're talking to people who can think like adults). You can simply use them as a shortcut to strategies that are likely to work. If someone is making a slippery slope argument, then you can use a standard slippery slop reply.
  - im3w1l 7y ago
    In my experience a lot of slopes are slippery, and a lot of people who cry "slippery slope" are disingenuous; they know the slope is slippery and they want to slide down. As to why slopes are slippery, it may be that it's easy and natural to build political alliances advocating for either side of it, but hard to build an alliance advocating for the middle.
swiley 7y ago
I’ve noticed that some people will watch for certain patterns and strings and then just react with some kind of pattern that they fill in the blanks to rather than applying reason. When they’re not talking to you and not getting emotional it’s just obnoxious but when they’re angry and you have to deal with it there isn’t much worse.
Barrin92 7y ago
the reason for being upset is primarily the person being upset not being in charge of their emotions and getting mentally trapped in a situation. most important is probably the observation that one cannot control their environment and that anger isn't really helpful in any circumstance other than running away from a tiger or something, so if you get upset just take a few breaths and get a coffee. I'm not sure how much the mental models mentioned in the article help because I've come to the conclusion that getting upset is primarily a biological thing. It's much more simple I think than people often suggest.
phnofive 7y ago
The whole example is just the fantasy version of the meeting as the author replays it in his mind while taking a shower.

Isn't the reason for getting upset because nobody else is using mental models?

by warlog 7y ago

Isn't the reason for getting upset because nobody else is using mental models?

If you thought it was contentious before, just wait until you start lecturing everyone about how they suck at thinking... That's sure going to improve the emotional situation.

nerdponx 7y ago
The point isn't to tell people how to think. It helps you think clearly even when everyone around you isn't. And it helps you empathize with, and therefore communicate better with, the people around you.
wisty 7y ago
Logical fallacies don't have to be directly stated (unless you're talking to people who can think like adults). You can simply use them as a shortcut to strategies that are likely to work. If someone is making a slippery slope argument, then you can use a standard slippery slop reply.
- im3w1l 7y ago
  In my experience a lot of slopes are slippery, and a lot of people who cry "slippery slope" are disingenuous; they know the slope is slippery and they want to slide down. As to why slopes are slippery, it may be that it's easy and natural to build political alliances advocating for either side of it, but hard to build an alliance advocating for the middle.

swiley 7y ago

I’ve noticed that some people will watch for certain patterns and strings and then just react with some kind of pattern that they fill in the blanks to rather than applying reason. When they’re not talking to you and not getting emotional it’s just obnoxious but when they’re angry and you have to deal with it there isn’t much worse.

Barrin92 7y ago

the reason for being upset is primarily the person being upset not being in charge of their emotions and getting mentally trapped in a situation. most important is probably the observation that one cannot control their environment and that anger isn't really helpful in any circumstance other than running away from a tiger or something, so if you get upset just take a few breaths and get a coffee. I'm not sure how much the mental models mentioned in the article help because I've come to the conclusion that getting upset is primarily a biological thing. It's much more simple I think than people often suggest.

phnofive 7y ago

The whole example is just the fantasy version of the meeting as the author replays it in his mind while taking a shower.