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1. Young people interact with older people and those with pre existing conditions, and can pass on the disease. 2. More importantly, an unique characteristic o

1. Young people interact with older people and those with pre existing conditions, and can pass on the disease. 2. More importantly, an unique characteristic of this disease is that although mortality rates for the young are low, hospitalization rates appear to be high, which poses a severe threat of overwhelming hospital systems. The disaster in Wuhan was at least in part due to that and unless precautions are taken, Seattle could be heading that way soon.

andy_ppp 7y ago
The solution isn’t stop your life it’s maybe see your parents/grand parents next month...
- nitwit005 7y ago
  This is imagining a society where no one lives with parents or grandparents, and young people never interact with elderly people not related to them.
paganel 7y ago
> The disaster in Wuhan was at least in part due to that and unless precautions are taken, Seattle could be heading that way soon. This is almost happening right now in the Northern Italian region of Lombardy, hence today's mentions by some of the authorities of instituting a red-zone for the region itself (or parts of if, nothing is certain for now). [1] (in Italian) [1] https://milano.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/06/news/coronavirus_l_istituto_superiore_della_sanita_lombardia_zona_rossa_valutazioni_in_corso_-250471354/ https://milano.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/06/news/coronav...
fspeech 7y ago
15% of all confirmed cases in China were serious at some stage and require some kind of oxygen assistance. This is the one number we need to focus our minds on. Death rate is entirely dependent on the availability of resources. If we don't slow down the spread we will face disastrous consequences. There are thousands in Wuhan who have been on life support for weeks if not months. Even if they do survive they will face diminished lives and this is with China sending all available resources (doctors, nurses, ventilators) of the nation there. Death rate itself is worthless to argue over unless one names the context: sporadic outbreaks here and there or tidal waves?
- Barrin92 7y ago
  >15% of all confirmed cases in China were serious at some stage and require some kind of oxygen assistance. the death rate in the hubei region itself is also several times higher than in most western countries so it's fair to assume that the rate of undetected cases in China is simply very large. What we know from well controlled cases like the cruiseship with 600 infected people appears to suggest that about 20% of people develop more serious conditions like pneumonia and a fraction of those require intensive care.
  - fspeech 7y ago
    You use the word "pneumonia" to describe seriousness, but this IS a viral pneumonia. The virus infects the lung first. Detection is through the sputum coughed up from the lung. If you test positive you basically have pneumonia. China's definition of a serious case is blood oxygenation less than 93% without assistance.
    - Barrin92 7y ago
      the virus does not cause pneumonia in the majority of cases. A pneumonia is an infection of the lower respiratory tract (which is a quite serious condition leading to significant symptoms). In the majority of patients this virus causes an infection of the upper respiratory tract, which causes symptoms comparable to a common cold.
      - fspeech 7y ago
        The virus infects the cells through ACE2 receptors, which are highly expressed in some lung cells but not the upper respiratory tract. High fever and dry cough are the most common symptoms while runny nose is rare. So no the symptoms are not comparable to a common cold.
      - carbocation 7y ago
        I don't know that you are wrong, but Toni Fauci seems to say otherwise (around 2:50 in this video): https://www.nbcnews.com/video/dr-fauci-explains-how-coronavirus-spreads-why-it-is-more-serious-than-common-cold-or-flu-80004165932 https://www.nbcnews.com/video/dr-fauci-explains-how-coronavi...
xivzgrev 7y ago
This! Think of the people you can spread it to unknowingly. This is why I am a young person holed up in their apartment, and starting to work from home until this thing tapers off.
rarecoil 7y ago
As of today in King County, people are already being directed to ICUs in other counties south of it [1]. It does not help that the first major outbreak is in a long-term care facility filled with elderly and vulnerable people. [1] https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article240963446.html https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article240963446.h...

andy_ppp 7y ago

The solution isn’t stop your life it’s maybe see your parents/grand parents next month...

nitwit005 7y ago
This is imagining a society where no one lives with parents or grandparents, and young people never interact with elderly people not related to them.

paganel 7y ago

> The disaster in Wuhan was at least in part due to that and unless precautions are taken, Seattle could be heading that way soon. This is almost happening right now in the Northern Italian region of Lombardy, hence today's mentions by some of the authorities of instituting a red-zone for the region itself (or parts of if, nothing is certain for now). [1] (in Italian) [1] https://milano.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/06/news/coronavirus_l_istituto_superiore_della_sanita_lombardia_zona_rossa_valutazioni_in_corso_-250471354/ https://milano.repubblica.it/cronaca/2020/03/06/news/coronav...

fspeech 7y ago

15% of all confirmed cases in China were serious at some stage and require some kind of oxygen assistance. This is the one number we need to focus our minds on. Death rate is entirely dependent on the availability of resources. If we don't slow down the spread we will face disastrous consequences. There are thousands in Wuhan who have been on life support for weeks if not months. Even if they do survive they will face diminished lives and this is with China sending all available resources (doctors, nurses, ventilators) of the nation there. Death rate itself is worthless to argue over unless one names the context: sporadic outbreaks here and there or tidal waves?

Barrin92 7y ago
>15% of all confirmed cases in China were serious at some stage and require some kind of oxygen assistance. the death rate in the hubei region itself is also several times higher than in most western countries so it's fair to assume that the rate of undetected cases in China is simply very large. What we know from well controlled cases like the cruiseship with 600 infected people appears to suggest that about 20% of people develop more serious conditions like pneumonia and a fraction of those require intensive care.
- fspeech 7y ago
  You use the word "pneumonia" to describe seriousness, but this IS a viral pneumonia. The virus infects the lung first. Detection is through the sputum coughed up from the lung. If you test positive you basically have pneumonia. China's definition of a serious case is blood oxygenation less than 93% without assistance.
  - Barrin92 7y ago
    the virus does not cause pneumonia in the majority of cases. A pneumonia is an infection of the lower respiratory tract (which is a quite serious condition leading to significant symptoms). In the majority of patients this virus causes an infection of the upper respiratory tract, which causes symptoms comparable to a common cold.
    - fspeech 7y ago
      The virus infects the cells through ACE2 receptors, which are highly expressed in some lung cells but not the upper respiratory tract. High fever and dry cough are the most common symptoms while runny nose is rare. So no the symptoms are not comparable to a common cold.
    - carbocation 7y ago
      I don't know that you are wrong, but Toni Fauci seems to say otherwise (around 2:50 in this video): https://www.nbcnews.com/video/dr-fauci-explains-how-coronavirus-spreads-why-it-is-more-serious-than-common-cold-or-flu-80004165932 https://www.nbcnews.com/video/dr-fauci-explains-how-coronavi...

xivzgrev 7y ago

This! Think of the people you can spread it to unknowingly. This is why I am a young person holed up in their apartment, and starting to work from home until this thing tapers off.

rarecoil 7y ago

As of today in King County, people are already being directed to ICUs in other counties south of it [1]. It does not help that the first major outbreak is in a long-term care facility filled with elderly and vulnerable people. [1] https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article240963446.html https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article240963446.h...