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It's not too big. Metaphorically. Realistically, it will amplify signals/readings, so, it's outdated. Anyway, what happens when messaging with ciphertext beco

It's not too big. Metaphorically. Realistically, it will amplify signals/readings, so, it's outdated. Anyway, what happens when messaging with ciphertext becomes illegal?

bilekas 7y ago
I'm not sure what you mean about the outdated, you might be writting to another post but: > Anyway, what happens when messaging with ciphertext becomes illegal? Those who have nefarious intentions don't really care what the legality is.. Also those who are not nefarious encrypted aren't identified because they're encrypted.. Thats why this argument seems very.. Moronic at best.
AnimalMuppet 7y ago
Steganography. Hide the cyphertext in the LSB noise of a PNG image, or something like that.
- Mirioron 7y ago
  Or just regular text. Or algorithms with PNG or binary blob seeds.
Mirioron 7y ago
>Anyway, what happens when messaging with ciphertext becomes illegal? Does that mean that implementing your own protocol becomes illegal too? And even your own programming language.
- Deeplybrassic 7y ago
  Propably would have to get license from the government for it, which would invite a ton more surveillance on you
scrupulusalbion 7y ago
>what happens when messaging with ciphertext becomes illegal Back in the late 90s, Ron Rivest proposed Chaffing and Winnowing [0]. In that scheme, no ciphertext is transmitted and therefore no encryption is involved; only plausible plaintext is transmitted. The receiver filters out the chaff, leaving only the intended message. Perhaps one could construct an end-to-end winnow-chaff scheme (E2EWC) to replace existing E2EE schemes. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaffing_and_winnowing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaffing_and_winnowing
- jcynix 7y ago
  Technically one can argue it's not encryption. But it wouldn't be that difficult for law makers to add a clause that "any similar method of information hiding" is equal to encryption under this law. E.g. "A donkey is regarded as a horse under this law."

It's not too big. Metaphorically. Realistically, it will amplify signals/readings, so, it's outdated. Anyway, what happens when messaging with ciphertext becomes illegal?

bilekas 7y ago

I'm not sure what you mean about the outdated, you might be writting to another post but: > Anyway, what happens when messaging with ciphertext becomes illegal? Those who have nefarious intentions don't really care what the legality is.. Also those who are not nefarious encrypted aren't identified because they're encrypted.. Thats why this argument seems very.. Moronic at best.

AnimalMuppet 7y ago

Steganography. Hide the cyphertext in the LSB noise of a PNG image, or something like that.

Mirioron 7y ago
Or just regular text. Or algorithms with PNG or binary blob seeds.

Mirioron 7y ago

>Anyway, what happens when messaging with ciphertext becomes illegal? Does that mean that implementing your own protocol becomes illegal too? And even your own programming language.

Deeplybrassic 7y ago
Propably would have to get license from the government for it, which would invite a ton more surveillance on you

scrupulusalbion 7y ago

>what happens when messaging with ciphertext becomes illegal Back in the late 90s, Ron Rivest proposed Chaffing and Winnowing [0]. In that scheme, no ciphertext is transmitted and therefore no encryption is involved; only plausible plaintext is transmitted. The receiver filters out the chaff, leaving only the intended message. Perhaps one could construct an end-to-end winnow-chaff scheme (E2EWC) to replace existing E2EE schemes. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaffing_and_winnowing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaffing_and_winnowing

jcynix 7y ago
Technically one can argue it's not encryption. But it wouldn't be that difficult for law makers to add a clause that "any similar method of information hiding" is equal to encryption under this law. E.g. "A donkey is regarded as a horse under this law."