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Meanwhile, our hospitals in Seattle are already filling up, and they're diverting people to further hospitals; as this is a virus with an extremely high hospita

Meanwhile, our hospitals in Seattle are already filling up, and they're diverting people to further hospitals; as this is a virus with an extremely high hospitalization rate. We all need to do what we can to keep those hospitalizations low, so our medical system doesn't collapse and turn people away who need ventilation. That means doing your part to not be a vector of infection.

nostromo 7y ago
Seattle hospitals appear to be filling up because of unnecessary panic, not because of COVID-19. The point you responded to, of not overreacting, is indeed correct.
- natalyarostova 7y ago
  I would love it if you're all correct on this. The problem I face is that I do notice other countries who are a week or two ahead of us really struggling, and taking increasingly drastic measures to try and maintain control. I guess I just don't really understand the argument people are making who are saying we are overreacting. Are you saying we should do nothing, and just accept some tens of thousands of deaths and overburdened hospitals across all major cities? Or that this isn't really a big deal or contagious, and we should just ignore it? It seems to me that the prudent and responsible thing is for us all to do our best to lower the secondary infection rate, in order to guard against these outcomes.
  - tracker1 7y ago
    Not at all... follow best practices... wash your hands (before and after restroom use, before and after food prep or touching money), stay home if you're sick and for employers emphasize this and work as well as possible around the issue. Don't panic. In the end, it will spread, it will kill, and the only thing panic does is make things worse. If people washed their hands more and stayed home when sick instead of working through it, that's the most you probably should do.
    - natalyarostova 7y ago
      I disagree. Containment still seems to be the correct course of action, which requires drastic up-front measures to prevent millions of cases simultaneously. You might disagree with that strategy, in which case that's fine, I think you're wrong. But you're mischaracterizing that strategy as panic. e.g. https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/03/from-a-scientist-coronavirus-pictures-to-ponder.html https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/03/fr...
      - tracker1 7y ago
        Staying home when sick isn't containment?
        nocoolnametom 7y ago
        Sure, and those few days before you become symptomatic but you're already beginning to be contagious to others you're also staying home?
        Izkata 7y ago
        ...Spreading it to 2 people instead of 5 still slows it down, which is where we're at now.
        tracker1 7y ago
        So you want to test everyone in the country before they're showing symptoms, out just close the country for a few days?
      - natalyarostova 7y ago
        (not to say some people aren't panicking. Which they of course should stop doing).
      - natalyarostova 7y ago
        It's not sufficiently containment, due to the high incubation time, there is transmission amongst many who do not think they are sick. That's a property of this virus that makes it different.
  - losttheplot 7y ago
    >I do notice other countries who are a week or two ahead of us It is being reported that South Korea is testing 10k per day. The USA is still having an issue in even delivering test kits where required. That's months ahead, not weeks.
    - hawaiianbrah 7y ago
      I think they meant in terms of viral propagation and effects being felt.
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
- handedness 7y ago
  In one place I know of with a significant number of confirmed cases, I'm told by someone working on the problem that hospital visits are actually declining as sick people are too afraid to go to the hospital to get tested, for fear of being infected by COVID-19 if they don't yet, in fact, have the virus. And that is directly hindering efforts to diagnose, treat, quarantine and control the spread of the virus. Overreaction can take many forms, depending on what people think is in their individual interest (even if it's at the expense of the collective interest).
NicolasGorden 7y ago
> That means doing your part to not be a vector of infection. I believe I do my part for this and every flu season which literally kills 50,000 Americans each year. The extra dozen deaths from this new virus really don't change my existing habits: I wash my hands frequently, thoroughly wash fruits and veggies, I stay home if I'm sick, and I get my flu shot each year. I also get regular check ups. I also try to eat a rich, varied diet, get good sleep, do some exercise, don't smoke and avoid over drinkings or overindulging in sweets/fats/salts. I also, and this is real important for me at least, try to avoid getting stressed over things I have no control over. Again, this is just me.
- lern_too_spel 7y ago
  Without containment, COVID-19 will directly kill at least 10x more people in the US this year. Worse, it will overwhelm hospitals and suffocate medical supply chains, resulting in more indirect deaths as well. You're comparing the deaths of multiple already pandemic flus to a single disease which has not yet spread throughout the United States.
  - NicolasGorden 7y ago
    > kill at least 10x more people in the US this year Since the Corona virus has a 3% mortality rate, your estimate of 'at least 10x' would mean 500,000 american dead by the end of year, which would require 150,000,000 to be infected this year, or basically, 48%~ of the population getting infected this year. I'm not saying your wrong, but can you provide a link to a reputable site such as CDC/WHO that supports your claim?
    - lern_too_spel 7y ago
      Unlike the flu, nobody has prior immunity to the disease, so everyone is susceptible to getting the disease. Without containment, nearly everyone will get the disease. You have also undercounted the US population by 10%.
      - 7y ago

nostromo 7y ago

Seattle hospitals appear to be filling up because of unnecessary panic, not because of COVID-19. The point you responded to, of not overreacting, is indeed correct.

natalyarostova 7y ago
I would love it if you're all correct on this. The problem I face is that I do notice other countries who are a week or two ahead of us really struggling, and taking increasingly drastic measures to try and maintain control. I guess I just don't really understand the argument people are making who are saying we are overreacting. Are you saying we should do nothing, and just accept some tens of thousands of deaths and overburdened hospitals across all major cities? Or that this isn't really a big deal or contagious, and we should just ignore it? It seems to me that the prudent and responsible thing is for us all to do our best to lower the secondary infection rate, in order to guard against these outcomes.
- tracker1 7y ago
  Not at all... follow best practices... wash your hands (before and after restroom use, before and after food prep or touching money), stay home if you're sick and for employers emphasize this and work as well as possible around the issue. Don't panic. In the end, it will spread, it will kill, and the only thing panic does is make things worse. If people washed their hands more and stayed home when sick instead of working through it, that's the most you probably should do.
  - natalyarostova 7y ago
    I disagree. Containment still seems to be the correct course of action, which requires drastic up-front measures to prevent millions of cases simultaneously. You might disagree with that strategy, in which case that's fine, I think you're wrong. But you're mischaracterizing that strategy as panic. e.g. https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/03/from-a-scientist-coronavirus-pictures-to-ponder.html https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/03/fr...
    - tracker1 7y ago
      Staying home when sick isn't containment?
      - nocoolnametom 7y ago
        Sure, and those few days before you become symptomatic but you're already beginning to be contagious to others you're also staying home?
        Izkata 7y ago
        ...Spreading it to 2 people instead of 5 still slows it down, which is where we're at now.
        tracker1 7y ago
        So you want to test everyone in the country before they're showing symptoms, out just close the country for a few days?
    - natalyarostova 7y ago
      (not to say some people aren't panicking. Which they of course should stop doing).
    - natalyarostova 7y ago
      It's not sufficiently containment, due to the high incubation time, there is transmission amongst many who do not think they are sick. That's a property of this virus that makes it different.
- losttheplot 7y ago
  >I do notice other countries who are a week or two ahead of us It is being reported that South Korea is testing 10k per day. The USA is still having an issue in even delivering test kits where required. That's months ahead, not weeks.
  - hawaiianbrah 7y ago
    I think they meant in terms of viral propagation and effects being felt.
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
handedness 7y ago
In one place I know of with a significant number of confirmed cases, I'm told by someone working on the problem that hospital visits are actually declining as sick people are too afraid to go to the hospital to get tested, for fear of being infected by COVID-19 if they don't yet, in fact, have the virus. And that is directly hindering efforts to diagnose, treat, quarantine and control the spread of the virus. Overreaction can take many forms, depending on what people think is in their individual interest (even if it's at the expense of the collective interest).

NicolasGorden 7y ago

> That means doing your part to not be a vector of infection. I believe I do my part for this and every flu season which literally kills 50,000 Americans each year. The extra dozen deaths from this new virus really don't change my existing habits: I wash my hands frequently, thoroughly wash fruits and veggies, I stay home if I'm sick, and I get my flu shot each year. I also get regular check ups. I also try to eat a rich, varied diet, get good sleep, do some exercise, don't smoke and avoid over drinkings or overindulging in sweets/fats/salts. I also, and this is real important for me at least, try to avoid getting stressed over things I have no control over. Again, this is just me.

lern_too_spel 7y ago
Without containment, COVID-19 will directly kill at least 10x more people in the US this year. Worse, it will overwhelm hospitals and suffocate medical supply chains, resulting in more indirect deaths as well. You're comparing the deaths of multiple already pandemic flus to a single disease which has not yet spread throughout the United States.
- NicolasGorden 7y ago
  > kill at least 10x more people in the US this year Since the Corona virus has a 3% mortality rate, your estimate of 'at least 10x' would mean 500,000 american dead by the end of year, which would require 150,000,000 to be infected this year, or basically, 48%~ of the population getting infected this year. I'm not saying your wrong, but can you provide a link to a reputable site such as CDC/WHO that supports your claim?
  - lern_too_spel 7y ago
    Unlike the flu, nobody has prior immunity to the disease, so everyone is susceptible to getting the disease. Without containment, nearly everyone will get the disease. You have also undercounted the US population by 10%.
    - 7y ago