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Let me get this right. Due to convergent needs, dozens of Fabric users post various ideas to the issue tracker and mailing lists. And over the years, some peopl

by tav 16y ago

Let me get this right. Due to convergent needs, dozens of Fabric users post various ideas to the issue tracker and mailing lists. And over the years, some people hack together personal branches solving some of these issues and, despite the incredible amount of time that's passed, they fail to get their work into the mainline branch. Eventually, one hacker comes along — who, having been a Fabric user for a long time, has independently experienced similar needs and finding no decent solution, decides to take on the task of implementing the various features himself — making sure that it's clean, backwards compatible and fully documented. And your response is to accuse him of trying to take credit for other people's work?! I can understand your frustrations with the pace of Fabric development, but accusing another hacker of taking credit for other people's work simply beggars belief. Even more incredible is that so many people decided to upvote you! For the record, I'm not taking credit for anyone else's work. I came up with the various ideas myself and you can look at the code to see that it's not based on anyone else's work. Thank you.

StavrosK 16y ago
As a side note, your blog is beautiful. Did you design it yourself?
- tav 16y ago
  Thank you for the compliment — I was going to write an article a few weeks ago, but ended up spending the evening redesigning the blog instead: http://tav.espians.com/new-site-design-for-2011.html http://tav.espians.com/new-site-design-for-2011.html Procrastination has its benefits I guess, heh. If you fancy them, the css/templates are in https://github.com/tav/blog https://github.com/tav/blog and the site is run using yatiblog — https://github.com/tav/ampify/blob/master/src/pyutil/yatiblog.py https://github.com/tav/ampify/blob/master/src/pyutil/yatiblo... — the source is all public domain, so do with it as you please.
  - StavrosK 16y ago
    I'm also migrating my blog right now, so don't mind if I do! Thank you!
sophacles 16y ago
Dude, I'm just saying it is pretty dubious that you show up at the community, poke around the tickets, ask lots of questions, probably notice the roadmap on Redmine where lots of the existing solutions are tagged for inclusion, and after all that interaction claim you singlehandedly fixed everything wrong with the project. I'm sorry if you are somehow upset by my doubt, but you have to admit the whole thing seems just a bit "too good to be true". As for the difference between independent implementation and code-stealing: I have not and will not accuse you of stealing code. If it came off that way, I apologize. I will however continue to assume your rooting around other people's work gave you ideas, gave you paths for completion of tasks, and gave you enough working information on reasonable solutions that you can not accurately say you did it by yourself.
- silenus 16y ago
  Where are you giving the various "defsystem"-implementations credit? I bet 90% of fabric's features where already implemented in any of those 20 to 30 years ago.
  - sophacles 16y ago
    Well I've never even heard of defsystem, let alone rooted around in it's implementation. Nice strawman, but the subtle difference here is in one case the code was not looked at and talked about and in the other it was.

by tav 16y ago

StavrosK 16y ago

As a side note, your blog is beautiful. Did you design it yourself?

tav 16y ago
Thank you for the compliment — I was going to write an article a few weeks ago, but ended up spending the evening redesigning the blog instead: http://tav.espians.com/new-site-design-for-2011.html http://tav.espians.com/new-site-design-for-2011.html Procrastination has its benefits I guess, heh. If you fancy them, the css/templates are in https://github.com/tav/blog https://github.com/tav/blog and the site is run using yatiblog — https://github.com/tav/ampify/blob/master/src/pyutil/yatiblog.py https://github.com/tav/ampify/blob/master/src/pyutil/yatiblo... — the source is all public domain, so do with it as you please.
- StavrosK 16y ago
  I'm also migrating my blog right now, so don't mind if I do! Thank you!

sophacles 16y ago

Dude, I'm just saying it is pretty dubious that you show up at the community, poke around the tickets, ask lots of questions, probably notice the roadmap on Redmine where lots of the existing solutions are tagged for inclusion, and after all that interaction claim you singlehandedly fixed everything wrong with the project. I'm sorry if you are somehow upset by my doubt, but you have to admit the whole thing seems just a bit "too good to be true". As for the difference between independent implementation and code-stealing: I have not and will not accuse you of stealing code. If it came off that way, I apologize. I will however continue to assume your rooting around other people's work gave you ideas, gave you paths for completion of tasks, and gave you enough working information on reasonable solutions that you can not accurately say you did it by yourself.

silenus 16y ago
Where are you giving the various "defsystem"-implementations credit? I bet 90% of fabric's features where already implemented in any of those 20 to 30 years ago.
- sophacles 16y ago
  Well I've never even heard of defsystem, let alone rooted around in it's implementation. Nice strawman, but the subtle difference here is in one case the code was not looked at and talked about and in the other it was.