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I was going to ask, how do you avoid creating another victim in this model? But I guess the idea is you don't avoid it, instead you rely on the tendancy that i
by jlokier 7y ago
I was going to ask, how do you avoid creating another victim in this model?
But I guess the idea is you don't avoid it, instead you rely on the tendancy that it works out in the right direction enough times, and the injustice of an innocent being thrown out isn't the end of the world?
In my life experience, admittedly not in a bar, but some of it in another social organisation, I've seen hundreds of complaints where one person says someone else's behaviour is seriously unacceptable and bad, where it turns out the person saying it is engaged in unacceptable behaviour themselves. Sometimes the same type of behaviour.
There, the sanctions are more severe: People may be thrown out for weeks or months or permanently, and it is more public, so the harm to the person socially is much greater than being thrown out of a club one night.
It is one of the difficulties I have with some styles of codes of conduct: I've directly witnessed advocates and code-writers engaging in precisely the behaviours they say should result in sanctions, seemingly oblivious to the fact they themselves are serious offenders, and when it's brought to their attention, rather than deal with it, they play it down applied to themselves and their friends, seemingly oblivious to the effects visible hypocrisy from a "core group" has on a community where the less in-group people get contradictory messages about what to do to fit in.