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I wish they also separated European countries by subnational jurisdiction. In the US they do it by cities, surely they should be able to separate Italian provi

by Svip 7y ago

I wish they also separated European countries by subnational jurisdiction. In the US they do it by cities, surely they should be able to separate Italian provinces, French departments and German states. They are reported like that in the news. I mention this because it's particularly northern Italy that's hard hit, not southern Italy. I am still planning on travelling to southern France (by car!) around Easter, and I kind of want a more precise map to know which areas to avoid. (I also think travelling by car is a safer option, both for me and others around me. The plan is to stay at a house in the country, not a hotel.)

claudeganon 7y ago
Only Korean levels of surveillance testing and Singaporean levels of contact tracing and quarantine have provided anything like an accurate picture of the disease’s progression. Nowhere in Europe is taking these actions at comparable levels, so you’re not going to be able to assess risk using something like this map.
- mdrzn 7y ago
  We do have a map about Italy with a lot more accuracy: https://statistichecoronavirus.it/coronavirus-italia/ https://statistichecoronavirus.it/coronavirus-italia/
TacticalCoder 7y ago
> I also think travelling by car is a safer option, both for me and others around me. I thought about it because I'll need to drive a long drive in two days (across France). I'm taking throwaway gloves with me... Inside the car I'll be fine (and people outside the car too) but... A gas station has to be one of the riskiest place to catch the virus because you are forced to touch the gas pump. And that's the same for everybody who just filled his car. Same with electric chargers for EVs. Anyone with the virus would cough, while driving, and the virus would be on one of his hand. Then that person would fill the car. Then the virus would stay there for hours? It's a combination of two things: a great many people passing there and all these people being forced to touch something hundreds of people recently touched too. Hence the throwaway gloves. Not to mention that if anyone in a car has the virus, it's likely that the one driving may have it on its hands (even if he's not infected ?). I'm very mindful not to touch anything outside the house unless when I'm buying groceries (but at the grocery store when I pick, say, a thuna can, hopefully there haven't been a hundred people touching that on thuna can in the last x hours). At the gas station I know I'll have no choice.
- jessriedel 7y ago
  Gas stations are open air (high circulation) with only a small number of people present at a time. Wash/sanitize your hands after using the pump/buttons and there's not much reason to think it's dangerous.
- yiyus 7y ago
  > A gas station has to be one of the riskiest place to catch the virus When talking about travelling options, the alternatives are trains and buses. In a train or bus station, the volume of people is several orders of magnitude larger, and you have to be in a confined space with many people for a long amount of time. There is no risk zero option if you need to travel, but I agree with the original comment that travelling by car looks like the safest one.
- gdubs 7y ago
  Keep a bottle of hand sanitizer in your car. Possibly disinfectant wipes to sanitize your car’s surfaces frequently. Break the habit of flipping through your phone out in public, or start washing your phone frequently. When you touch public objects and then use your phone, your putting germs onto a glass surface where they can last for hours and studies show that phone screens get quite dirty. Remember: the goal for the majority of people is to help slow the spread of this to protect the vulnerable. Good hygiene goes a long way.
- lacker 7y ago
  I think you could get a paper towel and use that to cover your hand while you operate the gas pump. Or your sleeve. Yeah people might look at you like you’re paranoid. Tell them that only the paranoid survive.
- LandR 7y ago
  I know here most gas stations have a dispenser of disposable gloves you can use at the pump. Even with no virus kicking around holding a fuel pump is horrible, your hand stinks afterwards!
- cousin_it 7y ago
  Not throwaway gloves. Carry a pack of disinfecting wipes. Whenever you're about to touch a public surface (gas pump, handrail, door handle, elevator button, touchscreen...) wipe it first. That way you protect yourself, protect the people who come after you, your hands get disinfected many times a day, and anyone who sees you will pick up the idea.
esnard 7y ago
For France, you can find a map on the related Wikipedia page: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89pid%C3%A9mie_de_maladie_%C3%A0_coronavirus_de_2020_en_France https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89pid%C3%A9mie_de_maladie_... It's based on the national health agency figures, publied on their website: https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/ https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/ Unfortunately, those figures are aggregated by region, which covers a relatively large geographic area. I'm not sure whether more precise information is available somewhere else.

by Svip 7y ago

claudeganon 7y ago

Only Korean levels of surveillance testing and Singaporean levels of contact tracing and quarantine have provided anything like an accurate picture of the disease’s progression. Nowhere in Europe is taking these actions at comparable levels, so you’re not going to be able to assess risk using something like this map.

mdrzn 7y ago
We do have a map about Italy with a lot more accuracy: https://statistichecoronavirus.it/coronavirus-italia/ https://statistichecoronavirus.it/coronavirus-italia/

TacticalCoder 7y ago

> I also think travelling by car is a safer option, both for me and others around me. I thought about it because I'll need to drive a long drive in two days (across France). I'm taking throwaway gloves with me... Inside the car I'll be fine (and people outside the car too) but... A gas station has to be one of the riskiest place to catch the virus because you are forced to touch the gas pump. And that's the same for everybody who just filled his car. Same with electric chargers for EVs. Anyone with the virus would cough, while driving, and the virus would be on one of his hand. Then that person would fill the car. Then the virus would stay there for hours? It's a combination of two things: a great many people passing there and all these people being forced to touch something hundreds of people recently touched too. Hence the throwaway gloves. Not to mention that if anyone in a car has the virus, it's likely that the one driving may have it on its hands (even if he's not infected ?). I'm very mindful not to touch anything outside the house unless when I'm buying groceries (but at the grocery store when I pick, say, a thuna can, hopefully there haven't been a hundred people touching that on thuna can in the last x hours). At the gas station I know I'll have no choice.

jessriedel 7y ago
Gas stations are open air (high circulation) with only a small number of people present at a time. Wash/sanitize your hands after using the pump/buttons and there's not much reason to think it's dangerous.
yiyus 7y ago
> A gas station has to be one of the riskiest place to catch the virus When talking about travelling options, the alternatives are trains and buses. In a train or bus station, the volume of people is several orders of magnitude larger, and you have to be in a confined space with many people for a long amount of time. There is no risk zero option if you need to travel, but I agree with the original comment that travelling by car looks like the safest one.
gdubs 7y ago
Keep a bottle of hand sanitizer in your car. Possibly disinfectant wipes to sanitize your car’s surfaces frequently. Break the habit of flipping through your phone out in public, or start washing your phone frequently. When you touch public objects and then use your phone, your putting germs onto a glass surface where they can last for hours and studies show that phone screens get quite dirty. Remember: the goal for the majority of people is to help slow the spread of this to protect the vulnerable. Good hygiene goes a long way.
lacker 7y ago
I think you could get a paper towel and use that to cover your hand while you operate the gas pump. Or your sleeve. Yeah people might look at you like you’re paranoid. Tell them that only the paranoid survive.
LandR 7y ago
I know here most gas stations have a dispenser of disposable gloves you can use at the pump. Even with no virus kicking around holding a fuel pump is horrible, your hand stinks afterwards!
cousin_it 7y ago
Not throwaway gloves. Carry a pack of disinfecting wipes. Whenever you're about to touch a public surface (gas pump, handrail, door handle, elevator button, touchscreen...) wipe it first. That way you protect yourself, protect the people who come after you, your hands get disinfected many times a day, and anyone who sees you will pick up the idea.

esnard 7y ago

For France, you can find a map on the related Wikipedia page: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89pid%C3%A9mie_de_maladie_%C3%A0_coronavirus_de_2020_en_France https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89pid%C3%A9mie_de_maladie_... It's based on the national health agency figures, publied on their website: https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/ https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/ Unfortunately, those figures are aggregated by region, which covers a relatively large geographic area. I'm not sure whether more precise information is available somewhere else.