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The comment I replied to said X and Wayland would be 'overrun by web apps' and I'm not sure what that means. ChromeOS is not a web app and neither is chrome.

pjmlp 7y ago
They already have been, X accounts for single digit desktop market size. ChromeOS is a Web based OS with more market share than GNU/Linux, thus just by measuring its usage across US school system, it is higher than X. Then we can add all remaining desktop and mobile OSes into the mix. Finally, SaaS Web applications are in many cases the only way some applications ever reach FOSS UNIX clones.
- code_duck 7y ago
  ChromeOS is not a web based OS in the sense of being a 'web app' and neither is it's display or windowing system. I don't think anyone here is using the same definition of 'web app'.
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  - pjmlp 7y ago
    It is a Web app jungler OS without any trace of X. In any case it was just an example, there are plenty of others where X existence is meaningless, replaced by Web apps, HTML 5 variant of Citrix, IoT interfaces, or the whole set of SaaS applications without any native presence on FOSS UNIX clones.
downerending 7y ago
Clarifying my comment, if I was to create (say) a tool today to monitor my network, with graphical charts, push buttons, etc., it's almost inconceivable that I would choose to write it using an X toolkit of some kind, even if it were only meant to run on Linux desktops. Instead, I would toss up a web server and write the front end using web toolkits, etc. I think a lot of others would too, and in that sense, desktop app development is being overrun by the web (plus Javascript, DOM, CSS, etc.) It's true that web browsers have to run on something, but on some platforms, that something looks a lot more like bare metal. I think it's conceivable that X and Wayland will head into the sunset as tech like emacs has. That doesn't mean I don't like them--I do--but realistically their future is unclear.

pjmlp 7y ago

They already have been, X accounts for single digit desktop market size. ChromeOS is a Web based OS with more market share than GNU/Linux, thus just by measuring its usage across US school system, it is higher than X. Then we can add all remaining desktop and mobile OSes into the mix. Finally, SaaS Web applications are in many cases the only way some applications ever reach FOSS UNIX clones.

code_duck 7y ago
ChromeOS is not a web based OS in the sense of being a 'web app' and neither is it's display or windowing system. I don't think anyone here is using the same definition of 'web app'.
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- pjmlp 7y ago
  It is a Web app jungler OS without any trace of X. In any case it was just an example, there are plenty of others where X existence is meaningless, replaced by Web apps, HTML 5 variant of Citrix, IoT interfaces, or the whole set of SaaS applications without any native presence on FOSS UNIX clones.

downerending 7y ago

Clarifying my comment, if I was to create (say) a tool today to monitor my network, with graphical charts, push buttons, etc., it's almost inconceivable that I would choose to write it using an X toolkit of some kind, even if it were only meant to run on Linux desktops. Instead, I would toss up a web server and write the front end using web toolkits, etc. I think a lot of others would too, and in that sense, desktop app development is being overrun by the web (plus Javascript, DOM, CSS, etc.) It's true that web browsers have to run on something, but on some platforms, that something looks a lot more like bare metal. I think it's conceivable that X and Wayland will head into the sunset as tech like emacs has. That doesn't mean I don't like them--I do--but realistically their future is unclear.