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Because the open source community is slowly coming to the uncomfortable realization that many eyes != security. Take heartbleed: SSL had a glaring security vul

by ColanR 7y ago

Because the open source community is slowly coming to the uncomfortable realization that many eyes != security. Take heartbleed: SSL had a glaring security vulnerability open for years that none of those eyes ever spotted. I've seen questions raised here on HN about Signal and Tor: where they came from, and where their funding comes from. If I had to bet, then I'd bet both of those are modern day Crypto AG variants.

Ill_ban_myself 7y ago
Its one thing to acknowledge that open source software doesn't get the review it needs. Its another thing entirely to suggest that major platforms in use today are sponsored by state actors willing and able to introduce vulnerabilities without proof. Turnkey black box solutions may be reviewed more regularly by a dedicated team but you have to admit that they're subject to flimsy and easy manipulation by state actors and the greed and coruptability of their owners.
- ColanR 7y ago
  > Its another thing entirely to suggest that major platforms in use today are sponsored by state actors willing and able to introduce vulnerabilities without proof. I think the Crypto AG story is sufficient proof of itself to look with suspicion at all related open source projects. In situations where there are known bad actors and we are dependent on security, we should look with suspicion unless we know better. "Insecure until proven secure" is probably a good motto.
  - boomboomsubban 7y ago
    >Insecure until proven secure" is probably a good motto. So just always insecure, as no amount of testing can guarantee there isn't some heartbleed like bug in there still.
    - ColanR 7y ago
      If that's the reality, should we whitewash it?
boomboomsubban 7y ago
>Because the open source community is slowly coming to the uncomfortable realization that many eyes != security The community has been aware of this for a very long time. Many eyes still provides better security than few eyes, which is why singling out free software as your concern seems misplaced. >f I had to bet, then I'd bet both of those are modern day Crypto AG variants. Though it's possible Signal is compromised, it's basically known that the proprietary offshoot WhatsApp is compromised. Free software is still your best bet, likely even better than doing it yourself for 99.9% of the world

by ColanR 7y ago

Ill_ban_myself 7y ago

Its one thing to acknowledge that open source software doesn't get the review it needs. Its another thing entirely to suggest that major platforms in use today are sponsored by state actors willing and able to introduce vulnerabilities without proof. Turnkey black box solutions may be reviewed more regularly by a dedicated team but you have to admit that they're subject to flimsy and easy manipulation by state actors and the greed and coruptability of their owners.

ColanR 7y ago
> Its another thing entirely to suggest that major platforms in use today are sponsored by state actors willing and able to introduce vulnerabilities without proof. I think the Crypto AG story is sufficient proof of itself to look with suspicion at all related open source projects. In situations where there are known bad actors and we are dependent on security, we should look with suspicion unless we know better. "Insecure until proven secure" is probably a good motto.
- boomboomsubban 7y ago
  >Insecure until proven secure" is probably a good motto. So just always insecure, as no amount of testing can guarantee there isn't some heartbleed like bug in there still.
  - ColanR 7y ago
    If that's the reality, should we whitewash it?

boomboomsubban 7y ago

>Because the open source community is slowly coming to the uncomfortable realization that many eyes != security The community has been aware of this for a very long time. Many eyes still provides better security than few eyes, which is why singling out free software as your concern seems misplaced. >f I had to bet, then I'd bet both of those are modern day Crypto AG variants. Though it's possible Signal is compromised, it's basically known that the proprietary offshoot WhatsApp is compromised. Free software is still your best bet, likely even better than doing it yourself for 99.9% of the world