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Yeah! And while we're on the subject, is the ", World" even necessary?

sk0g 7y ago
Traditions are traditions, and an industry as young as ours needs to hold on to the very few we have! Moving goalposts around on the Hello World code golfing world has some 'consequences' - there's languages with built in hello world that try and get it printing with minimal code, and removing the comma, for example, would invalidate that hack.
- superasn 7y ago
  One tradition I'm happy got lost in the way is using FOO, BAR, BAT in examples. It made the simplest examples hard to understand and those words never made any sense to me. It's always better to use contextual words in most examples. edit: for more clarity this article (1) explains it quite well https://dev.to/kiarathedev/why-i-don-t-use-foo-bar-baz-1kf7 https://dev.to/kiarathedev/why-i-don-t-use-foo-bar-baz-1kf7
  - sk0g 7y ago
    I'd honestly rather have a,b,c than that! Nobody writes code with such placeholder variable names, so why demonstrate it that way? Placeholder variables like i and j don't count! Foo, Baz, etc are annoying to read too, IMO.
    - runarberg 7y ago
      I use foo, bar, baz, etc. all the time when I’m writing tests. But I agree generally it is better when examples use meaningful name `cd /path/to/file` as oppose to `cd /foo/bar/baz`
  - kunglao 7y ago
    What's wrong with FOO? It's fun to say and can use it almost anywhere when you need a random word. Has saved me seconds here and there when I didn't need to think of a word because I have FOO :)
jfengel 7y ago
It's cute. "Hello" is just greeting the programmer, as if it were one person to another. "Hello, world" is like a new baby introducing itself to a planet. It's both tiny and momentous; the contrast is humorous. That feels friendly. Especially viewed in its original context, introducing a new programming language (C) to a planet that wasn't quite as crowded with programming languages as it is today. Since then it's just tradition. Feel free to leave it out. But it's iconic for a reason.

sk0g 7y ago

Traditions are traditions, and an industry as young as ours needs to hold on to the very few we have! Moving goalposts around on the Hello World code golfing world has some 'consequences' - there's languages with built in hello world that try and get it printing with minimal code, and removing the comma, for example, would invalidate that hack.

superasn 7y ago
One tradition I'm happy got lost in the way is using FOO, BAR, BAT in examples. It made the simplest examples hard to understand and those words never made any sense to me. It's always better to use contextual words in most examples. edit: for more clarity this article (1) explains it quite well https://dev.to/kiarathedev/why-i-don-t-use-foo-bar-baz-1kf7 https://dev.to/kiarathedev/why-i-don-t-use-foo-bar-baz-1kf7
- sk0g 7y ago
  I'd honestly rather have a,b,c than that! Nobody writes code with such placeholder variable names, so why demonstrate it that way? Placeholder variables like i and j don't count! Foo, Baz, etc are annoying to read too, IMO.
  - runarberg 7y ago
    I use foo, bar, baz, etc. all the time when I’m writing tests. But I agree generally it is better when examples use meaningful name `cd /path/to/file` as oppose to `cd /foo/bar/baz`
- kunglao 7y ago
  What's wrong with FOO? It's fun to say and can use it almost anywhere when you need a random word. Has saved me seconds here and there when I didn't need to think of a word because I have FOO :)

jfengel 7y ago

It's cute. "Hello" is just greeting the programmer, as if it were one person to another. "Hello, world" is like a new baby introducing itself to a planet. It's both tiny and momentous; the contrast is humorous. That feels friendly. Especially viewed in its original context, introducing a new programming language (C) to a planet that wasn't quite as crowded with programming languages as it is today. Since then it's just tradition. Feel free to leave it out. But it's iconic for a reason.