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A grandmother made a forest on her own [video]

112 points by happy-go-lucky 7y ago

elorant 7y ago
Reminds me of this, also from India: https://interestingengineering.com/jadav-payeng-the-man-who-planted-an-entire-forest-by-himself https://interestingengineering.com/jadav-payeng-the-man-who-... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkZDSqyE1do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkZDSqyE1do
- foobarian 7y ago
  Along those lines: https://www.odditycentral.com/architecture/man-spends-23-years-carving-sprawling-underground-temple-under-his-house.html https://www.odditycentral.com/architecture/man-spends-23-yea... Makes me really sad about the water table where I live (MA) :)
sudhirj 7y ago
I think her biggest achievement will be that she's grown a love of the environment in her children and grandchildren. They all sound deeply knowledgeable about the forest, which is much more than treating it as a playground.
onetimemanytime 7y ago
I'm always amazed at people with HUGE backyards and acreage...everything is so manicured. Why? To me it makes no sense, a real forest is very relaxing (Granted they may have a real forest 500yards away)
- watwut 7y ago
  For the same reason why people spend hours and hours in minecraft or drawing or ... .
  - JadeNB 7y ago
    Hours and hours in Minecraft and drawing don't reduce biodiversity (except, perhaps, indirectly via energy consumption for Minecraft).
- noelwelsh 7y ago
  Lawns originated as a display of wealth, showing that you were so wealthy you could afford to have land that wasn't devoted to growing food. This attitude persists, even though the origin is forgotten; the majority of people hanker after displays of status even if they don't consciously understand what they are doing. I don't agree with it (I think lawns are stupid and forests are great) but that's the way it is. To change it would take concerted public education. I believe some US states (Colorado?) have efforts to encourage people to plant native species, for example. When I lived in Australia there were some fairly half-hearted efforts to do the same (though the majority of people still had stupidly wasteful lawns; Australia is mostly desert, it shouldn't look like the UK y'all.)
  - luckylion 7y ago
    Shouldn't it shift back now that lawn is the default, similar to fat/thin, pale/tan or oysters as food? It's easy and cheap to have a your yard covered in lawn and use a mower to keep it reasonably groomed, it's expensive to have trees put in.
  - pjc50 7y ago
    > Australia is mostly desert, it shouldn't look like the UK y'all. This is the big problem - lawns kind of make sense if you're trying to be a tiny Capability Brown emulating the English countryside, but outside of the temperate maritime climate they're highly unnatural and have to be kept on life support.
    - Gravityloss 7y ago
      The things they have to do to maintain golf courses in other climates is sad as well.
    - pvaldes 7y ago
      Is a desert now, but that shouldn't prevent us to restore a bit of the old australian forests here and there. Some places in Australia have much more water and are typically forested.
  - jacquesm 7y ago
- danielg6 7y ago
  Trees are also a liability depending on their proximity to valuable things. They also block light.
  - fangorn 7y ago
    In, or rather around, passive houses they are meant to block light during summer. That's why it's recommended to plant trees that will shelter your house from the sun thus lowering temperature inside (and your cooling energy requirements, if you've got air-con, etc.). During winter they shed their leaves and let the sun in, providing the opposite effect. Of course that's in climate zones that actually have summers and winters. Granted, you don't need entire forest for that. Naturally, that works for most kinds of houses, not just passive ones. It's just especially important for those, if you want to achieve their stated (very low) energy requirements levels.
    - sethammons 7y ago
      When I lived in southern California, shade trees on my house was imperative. When they were trimmed and the shade lost, the inside house temp went up about ten degrees.
  - nkrisc 7y ago
    > They also block light. The lack of old trees that block like is why all those new developments you see are so miserable. You'll be blasting your A/C to keep the house comfortable if you live in a warm climate precisely because there's no big enough trees blocking the light. Being outside around your house without shade is also miserable in the summer. Those developments will be livable in 15-20 years when the trees mature. That's why I bought a house in a 25 year old neighborhood with mature trees. Any added maintenance of the trees is worth the shade they provide.
- CalRobert 7y ago
  I have a few acres, and tried leaving it all to its own devices, and then decided against that after picking several ticks off my toddler and spouse. Now we have the area immediately around the house mowed, then a sort of intermediate area with vegetable gardens, a further area where we let the grass grow tall so the farmer down the road can mow it for silage, and finally a bunch of saplings beyond that to encourage wildlife and coppice for heating fuel down the road. I generally agree with your sentiment. Without those ticks we'd just have tall grass even close to the house. This is the general idea behind permaculture zones, incidentally https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Permaculture_Zones.svg/1024px-Permaculture_Zones.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Pe...
  - tomohawk 7y ago
    check out tick tubes. you can make your own.
    - jhauris 7y ago
      Tick tubes may help with deer ticks, but when we tried them they had minimal effect on other species (which also carry disease). Nothing we've tried (poultry, tick tubes) controls ticks as well as mowing the areas people will be.
      - nkrisc 7y ago
        Doing some quick research, it seems tick tubes just contain permethrin treated cotton balls that mice (a tick vector) use for their nests? I've already got some permethrin we used for our outer layers and boots for hiking, seems easy enough to make on my own. Is that what you meant by tick tubes?
        jhauris 7y ago
        Yes, that's correct. Again though, it's not a panacea.
  - sethammons 7y ago
- blaser-waffle 7y ago
  Fires are a serious concern where we live. It gets dry enough in the summer, and keeping it unmanaged and wild just increases the amount of detritus, dead plants, and other potent kindling.
daodedickinson 7y ago
My mother is curating something similar. Wish I could afford a relationship and children even more so.
qubex 7y ago
My mother passed away when I was 11, in 1992. My grandfather, who owned property outside of Bristol (UK), planted a forest in her memory and named it “Pam’s Wood”. He said that memories fade but that the forrest would grow higher and thicker as time went by and that even in the far future his daughter’s name would be remembered even though everybody who had ever known her had long passed away.
- growlist 7y ago
  Wish I could do this near where I live in the UK, but even non-arable land etc. is getting stupidly expensive. Apparently this is a big unresolved issue with the recent drive to plant more trees.
  - grovehaw 7y ago
    You don't have to own land to plant trees. The Colne Valley Tree Society has planted more than 300 000 since the mid 60s.[0] It has made a big difference to the quality of life in the area. [0] https://colnevalleytreesociety.blogspot.com/ https://colnevalleytreesociety.blogspot.com/
vishnugupta 7y ago
I instinctively knew this would be in India, specifically south India. Here’s a similar story where a lady planted and grew 8000 roadside trees https://youtu.be/AHY45HSB-e8 https://youtu.be/AHY45HSB-e8
JoeAltmaier 7y ago
Sounds like a lifelong project, but you could do it too! If you have a little land, a healthy forest needs only 100 trees per acre. You can plant a couple of acres in a weekend...
- fiter 7y ago
  You say 100 trees per acre, but Afforestt says 100 trees per 30 sq meters (0.0074 acre)[0][1]! (This is equivalent to 121,000 per acre.) A mature forest may only need 100 trees per acre, but it may take a much larger density to get it started. You may need the soil shaded to keep the soil and leaf fall moist. You may need the trees to shade eachother. You may need the trees to share resources through their roots. You may need the trees to protect each other from the wind. [0] https://fellowsblog.ted.com/how-to-grow-a-forest-really-really-fast-d27df202ba09 https://fellowsblog.ted.com/how-to-grow-a-forest-really-real... [1] https://www.dropbox.com/s/pgofw7noxmpfwxg/Miyawaki%20Methodology%20Explained.pdf?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/pgofw7noxmpfwxg/Miyawaki%20Methodo...
  - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
    Mulch. They grow fine at 100/acre. We're not talking growing timber for harvest here. Its an urban forest.

Reminds me of this, also from India: https://interestingengineering.com/jadav-payeng-the-man-who-planted-an-entire-forest-by-himself https://interestingengineering.com/jadav-payeng-the-man-who-... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkZDSqyE1do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkZDSqyE1do

foobarian 7y ago
Along those lines: https://www.odditycentral.com/architecture/man-spends-23-years-carving-sprawling-underground-temple-under-his-house.html https://www.odditycentral.com/architecture/man-spends-23-yea... Makes me really sad about the water table where I live (MA) :)

sudhirj 7y ago

I think her biggest achievement will be that she's grown a love of the environment in her children and grandchildren. They all sound deeply knowledgeable about the forest, which is much more than treating it as a playground.

onetimemanytime 7y ago

I'm always amazed at people with HUGE backyards and acreage...everything is so manicured. Why? To me it makes no sense, a real forest is very relaxing (Granted they may have a real forest 500yards away)

watwut 7y ago
For the same reason why people spend hours and hours in minecraft or drawing or ... .
- JadeNB 7y ago
  Hours and hours in Minecraft and drawing don't reduce biodiversity (except, perhaps, indirectly via energy consumption for Minecraft).
noelwelsh 7y ago
Lawns originated as a display of wealth, showing that you were so wealthy you could afford to have land that wasn't devoted to growing food. This attitude persists, even though the origin is forgotten; the majority of people hanker after displays of status even if they don't consciously understand what they are doing. I don't agree with it (I think lawns are stupid and forests are great) but that's the way it is. To change it would take concerted public education. I believe some US states (Colorado?) have efforts to encourage people to plant native species, for example. When I lived in Australia there were some fairly half-hearted efforts to do the same (though the majority of people still had stupidly wasteful lawns; Australia is mostly desert, it shouldn't look like the UK y'all.)
- luckylion 7y ago
  Shouldn't it shift back now that lawn is the default, similar to fat/thin, pale/tan or oysters as food? It's easy and cheap to have a your yard covered in lawn and use a mower to keep it reasonably groomed, it's expensive to have trees put in.
- pjc50 7y ago
  > Australia is mostly desert, it shouldn't look like the UK y'all. This is the big problem - lawns kind of make sense if you're trying to be a tiny Capability Brown emulating the English countryside, but outside of the temperate maritime climate they're highly unnatural and have to be kept on life support.
  - Gravityloss 7y ago
    The things they have to do to maintain golf courses in other climates is sad as well.
  - pvaldes 7y ago
    Is a desert now, but that shouldn't prevent us to restore a bit of the old australian forests here and there. Some places in Australia have much more water and are typically forested.
- jacquesm 7y ago
danielg6 7y ago
Trees are also a liability depending on their proximity to valuable things. They also block light.
- fangorn 7y ago
  In, or rather around, passive houses they are meant to block light during summer. That's why it's recommended to plant trees that will shelter your house from the sun thus lowering temperature inside (and your cooling energy requirements, if you've got air-con, etc.). During winter they shed their leaves and let the sun in, providing the opposite effect. Of course that's in climate zones that actually have summers and winters. Granted, you don't need entire forest for that. Naturally, that works for most kinds of houses, not just passive ones. It's just especially important for those, if you want to achieve their stated (very low) energy requirements levels.
  - sethammons 7y ago
    When I lived in southern California, shade trees on my house was imperative. When they were trimmed and the shade lost, the inside house temp went up about ten degrees.
- nkrisc 7y ago
  > They also block light. The lack of old trees that block like is why all those new developments you see are so miserable. You'll be blasting your A/C to keep the house comfortable if you live in a warm climate precisely because there's no big enough trees blocking the light. Being outside around your house without shade is also miserable in the summer. Those developments will be livable in 15-20 years when the trees mature. That's why I bought a house in a 25 year old neighborhood with mature trees. Any added maintenance of the trees is worth the shade they provide.
CalRobert 7y ago
I have a few acres, and tried leaving it all to its own devices, and then decided against that after picking several ticks off my toddler and spouse. Now we have the area immediately around the house mowed, then a sort of intermediate area with vegetable gardens, a further area where we let the grass grow tall so the farmer down the road can mow it for silage, and finally a bunch of saplings beyond that to encourage wildlife and coppice for heating fuel down the road. I generally agree with your sentiment. Without those ticks we'd just have tall grass even close to the house. This is the general idea behind permaculture zones, incidentally https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Permaculture_Zones.svg/1024px-Permaculture_Zones.svg.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ad/Pe...
- tomohawk 7y ago
  check out tick tubes. you can make your own.
  - jhauris 7y ago
    Tick tubes may help with deer ticks, but when we tried them they had minimal effect on other species (which also carry disease). Nothing we've tried (poultry, tick tubes) controls ticks as well as mowing the areas people will be.
    - nkrisc 7y ago
      Doing some quick research, it seems tick tubes just contain permethrin treated cotton balls that mice (a tick vector) use for their nests? I've already got some permethrin we used for our outer layers and boots for hiking, seems easy enough to make on my own. Is that what you meant by tick tubes?
      - jhauris 7y ago
        Yes, that's correct. Again though, it's not a panacea.
- sethammons 7y ago
blaser-waffle 7y ago
Fires are a serious concern where we live. It gets dry enough in the summer, and keeping it unmanaged and wild just increases the amount of detritus, dead plants, and other potent kindling.

daodedickinson 7y ago

My mother is curating something similar. Wish I could afford a relationship and children even more so.

qubex 7y ago

My mother passed away when I was 11, in 1992. My grandfather, who owned property outside of Bristol (UK), planted a forest in her memory and named it “Pam’s Wood”. He said that memories fade but that the forrest would grow higher and thicker as time went by and that even in the far future his daughter’s name would be remembered even though everybody who had ever known her had long passed away.

growlist 7y ago
Wish I could do this near where I live in the UK, but even non-arable land etc. is getting stupidly expensive. Apparently this is a big unresolved issue with the recent drive to plant more trees.
- grovehaw 7y ago
  You don't have to own land to plant trees. The Colne Valley Tree Society has planted more than 300 000 since the mid 60s.[0] It has made a big difference to the quality of life in the area. [0] https://colnevalleytreesociety.blogspot.com/ https://colnevalleytreesociety.blogspot.com/

vishnugupta 7y ago

I instinctively knew this would be in India, specifically south India. Here’s a similar story where a lady planted and grew 8000 roadside trees https://youtu.be/AHY45HSB-e8 https://youtu.be/AHY45HSB-e8

JoeAltmaier 7y ago

Sounds like a lifelong project, but you could do it too! If you have a little land, a healthy forest needs only 100 trees per acre. You can plant a couple of acres in a weekend...

fiter 7y ago
You say 100 trees per acre, but Afforestt says 100 trees per 30 sq meters (0.0074 acre)[0][1]! (This is equivalent to 121,000 per acre.) A mature forest may only need 100 trees per acre, but it may take a much larger density to get it started. You may need the soil shaded to keep the soil and leaf fall moist. You may need the trees to shade eachother. You may need the trees to share resources through their roots. You may need the trees to protect each other from the wind. [0] https://fellowsblog.ted.com/how-to-grow-a-forest-really-really-fast-d27df202ba09 https://fellowsblog.ted.com/how-to-grow-a-forest-really-real... [1] https://www.dropbox.com/s/pgofw7noxmpfwxg/Miyawaki%20Methodology%20Explained.pdf?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/pgofw7noxmpfwxg/Miyawaki%20Methodo...
- JoeAltmaier 7y ago
  Mulch. They grow fine at 100/acre. We're not talking growing timber for harvest here. Its an urban forest.