7 ms·

Facebook cannot "get a warrant", only law enforcement officials can do that.

by zymhan 7y ago

travisjungroth 7y ago
“File a suit, leading to discovery and a warrant ordered by a judge” doesn’t quite roll off the tongue.
- SAI_Peregrinus 7y ago
  Warrants are for criminal searches. Subpoenas are the process used to compel discoveryin civil cases and for some parts of criminal cases.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
teh_klev 7y ago
Please don't be obtuse, I think we all know fine what this means.
- rat9988 7y ago
  I honestly did not. All I knew is they couldn't have a warrant.
- zymhan 7y ago
  There is a big difference between a subpoena and a warrant. Glossing over that may be fine to you, but it's wrong and misleading.
  - roel_v 7y ago
    Sometimes, but not in this context.
  - rhizome 7y ago
    This isn't a court, you don't have to litigate this detail. Oh, but it's "wrong." Let us now break out the XKCD.
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
  - jeltz 7y ago
    Then politely correct him with that he probably meant subpoena. Your previous comment did not mention the word "subpoena" anywhere. Btw, in my language there is no distinction between warrant and subpoena, both are just court orders.
haberman 7y ago
Sort of related: one time a scammer conned my grandma out of thousands of dollars by calling her and pretending to be me in distress. She wired the money to my name (I think it was Western Union or something), in a foreign country, and somebody "showed ID" as me. We reported it to the police, of course, but I don't think it was ever really pursued. I wanted to dig in myself but whoever the company was said they wouldn't give up the records without a subpoena. Very frustrating as I am the person who was being impersonated. It seems like there are times where you should have standing as an individual to get a subpoena for information directly related to you.
- tannedNerd 7y ago
  Im sorry that sucks, but we should not give up rights because some customers are easily fooled. This is a slippery slope you do not want to start on, because where does it end?
  - unreal37 7y ago
    But if John Doe wants information on someone named John Doe who "showed ID" to claim the money, he's just asking about "himself". I kinda get the point. If someone impersonates you, that information should not be protected because it's supposedly you.
    - ralphstodomingo 7y ago
      Isn't this problem solvable by looking at it differently? To me, the problem is that it's easy for scammers to impersonate someone. What if there was a way to reasonably check a person's identity in a standard way accessible to everyone without going through hoops?
      - r-w 7y ago
        That ideal won’t come true for a very long while. I appreciate your idealism, but for better or worse, we need a reasonable and attainable solution in the interim.

Facebook cannot "get a warrant", only law enforcement officials can do that.

by zymhan 7y ago

Facebook cannot "get a warrant", only law enforcement officials can do that.

travisjungroth 7y ago

“File a suit, leading to discovery and a warrant ordered by a judge” doesn’t quite roll off the tongue.

SAI_Peregrinus 7y ago
Warrants are for criminal searches. Subpoenas are the process used to compel discoveryin civil cases and for some parts of criminal cases.
deleted 7y ago
[deleted]

teh_klev 7y ago

Please don't be obtuse, I think we all know fine what this means.

rat9988 7y ago
I honestly did not. All I knew is they couldn't have a warrant.
zymhan 7y ago
There is a big difference between a subpoena and a warrant. Glossing over that may be fine to you, but it's wrong and misleading.
- roel_v 7y ago
  Sometimes, but not in this context.
- rhizome 7y ago
  This isn't a court, you don't have to litigate this detail. Oh, but it's "wrong." Let us now break out the XKCD.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- jeltz 7y ago
  Then politely correct him with that he probably meant subpoena. Your previous comment did not mention the word "subpoena" anywhere. Btw, in my language there is no distinction between warrant and subpoena, both are just court orders.

haberman 7y ago

Sort of related: one time a scammer conned my grandma out of thousands of dollars by calling her and pretending to be me in distress. She wired the money to my name (I think it was Western Union or something), in a foreign country, and somebody "showed ID" as me. We reported it to the police, of course, but I don't think it was ever really pursued. I wanted to dig in myself but whoever the company was said they wouldn't give up the records without a subpoena. Very frustrating as I am the person who was being impersonated. It seems like there are times where you should have standing as an individual to get a subpoena for information directly related to you.

tannedNerd 7y ago
Im sorry that sucks, but we should not give up rights because some customers are easily fooled. This is a slippery slope you do not want to start on, because where does it end?
- unreal37 7y ago
  But if John Doe wants information on someone named John Doe who "showed ID" to claim the money, he's just asking about "himself". I kinda get the point. If someone impersonates you, that information should not be protected because it's supposedly you.
  - ralphstodomingo 7y ago
    Isn't this problem solvable by looking at it differently? To me, the problem is that it's easy for scammers to impersonate someone. What if there was a way to reasonably check a person's identity in a standard way accessible to everyone without going through hoops?
    - r-w 7y ago
      That ideal won’t come true for a very long while. I appreciate your idealism, but for better or worse, we need a reasonable and attainable solution in the interim.