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I'd like to hear from D practitioners, what the real benefit they experienced by coding in D. Couldn't I just use related subset of C++ or C# to achieve the ver

by greyman 18y ago

I'd like to hear from D practitioners, what the real benefit they experienced by coding in D. Couldn't I just use related subset of C++ or C# to achieve the very similar effect?

jey 18y ago
No. C++ is too obtuse and doesn't have many of the features of D. C# is not a systems programming language (it runs in a sandboxed VM).
- greyman 18y ago
  Too obtuse? I worked in C++ several years professionally, and didn't have that feeling. I was able to code anything I wanted. I consider myself an average programmer, and from my experience it takes at least one year to understand C++ to reach the level of being proficient in it. I was asking my question above since in many cases, I found that the critique of C++ comes from people who didn't put enough effort to understand it thoroughly. (but I am not talking about anyone here, it's just a general observation of mine).
  - jey 18y ago
    - What is the destruction order of virtual base classes in C++? - Write a noncopyable class template that takes one typename argument. These aren't just trivia questions. You actually need to know this stuff to be able to plan and design correct C++ code. FWIW, I'm a recovering C++ Language Lawyer[1], and I still consider myself to have an "expert" level of proficiency at C++. The problem with C++ is that you need to be an "expert" or you'll make subtle and complicated errors. Errors that may not show up later until you have some sort of interoperability problem. Yes, you can write great code in C++, but it shouldn't be as hard and complicated as C++ makes it. Tools should help, not hinder. 1. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/L/language-lawyer.html http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/L/language-lawyer.html
  - sah 18y ago
    Too obtuse? C++ can be used for systems programming, so I don't think there's any good argument that it's not a sharp enough tool. I agree that "obtuse" is a poor criticism. [...] from my experience it takes at least one year to understand C++ to reach the level of being proficient in it. [...] I found that the critique of C++ comes from people who didn't put enough effort to understand it thoroughly. But this is a much better one.
coffeeaddicted 18y ago
You can probably achieve similar effects in c++ some way, as well as you could with any system programming language. The point is how fast those can be achieved. For example c++ is very hard to parse, that does not make implementing tools impossible, but it's slowing down the process enormously. Btw. I'm still mostly a c++ programmer, but D is one of the languages I'm watching really close.

by greyman 18y ago

I'd like to hear from D practitioners, what the real benefit they experienced by coding in D. Couldn't I just use related subset of C++ or C# to achieve the very similar effect?

jey 18y ago

No. C++ is too obtuse and doesn't have many of the features of D. C# is not a systems programming language (it runs in a sandboxed VM).

greyman 18y ago
Too obtuse? I worked in C++ several years professionally, and didn't have that feeling. I was able to code anything I wanted. I consider myself an average programmer, and from my experience it takes at least one year to understand C++ to reach the level of being proficient in it. I was asking my question above since in many cases, I found that the critique of C++ comes from people who didn't put enough effort to understand it thoroughly. (but I am not talking about anyone here, it's just a general observation of mine).
- jey 18y ago
  - What is the destruction order of virtual base classes in C++? - Write a noncopyable class template that takes one typename argument. These aren't just trivia questions. You actually need to know this stuff to be able to plan and design correct C++ code. FWIW, I'm a recovering C++ Language Lawyer[1], and I still consider myself to have an "expert" level of proficiency at C++. The problem with C++ is that you need to be an "expert" or you'll make subtle and complicated errors. Errors that may not show up later until you have some sort of interoperability problem. Yes, you can write great code in C++, but it shouldn't be as hard and complicated as C++ makes it. Tools should help, not hinder. 1. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/L/language-lawyer.html http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/L/language-lawyer.html
- sah 18y ago
  Too obtuse? C++ can be used for systems programming, so I don't think there's any good argument that it's not a sharp enough tool. I agree that "obtuse" is a poor criticism. [...] from my experience it takes at least one year to understand C++ to reach the level of being proficient in it. [...] I found that the critique of C++ comes from people who didn't put enough effort to understand it thoroughly. But this is a much better one.

coffeeaddicted 18y ago

You can probably achieve similar effects in c++ some way, as well as you could with any system programming language. The point is how fast those can be achieved. For example c++ is very hard to parse, that does not make implementing tools impossible, but it's slowing down the process enormously. Btw. I'm still mostly a c++ programmer, but D is one of the languages I'm watching really close.