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MS office is probably one of them. Office 365 isn’t worth it but most people don’t seem to know that.

by swiley 7y ago

svartkanin 7y ago
All companies I've worked at had dev environments that did not require any licensing. The tools used where mainly free or under the free tier (sublime, eclipse, CurcleCI, AWS...) For larger products those will require to purchase certain usage since the workload will be higher but that's a company product cost and not per dev. Unless one is developing MS products or is dependent on MS software I can't see how the numbers mentioned add up
geogra4 7y ago
Right but MS has such a stranglehold that no business dare run without office. It's a shame that no one really has competition for them
- indymike 7y ago
  I know plenty of companies that are on Google apps.
  - geogra4 7y ago
    Even with that they're probably a still running windows
prostheticvamp 7y ago
For whom is it not worth it? Software devs? Are they representative of the average white collar? I couldn’t live without excel.
- adjkant 7y ago
  Sheets will fit a lot of excel use cases for those not doing serious heavy lifting with it. FWIW, I'm a software engineer and our IT department actually let people opt out of Microsoft office if they weren't using it to save money, and encouraging people to use Google Docs/Sheets (as most do anyways). I'm guessing a good deal of software engineers did that but there are plenty of non-engineers that probably also did outside of finance / some sales people.
  - prepend 7y ago
    I am a big fan of sheets, but it is not Excel. Some of the functions are missing after all these years, not to mention charts and pivots. I think Google gave up on trying to compete with excel on features.
    - earthshot 7y ago
      Sheets has had pivots for years. It's become very rare that Sheets doesn't have a feature I want, whereas it's become more common that I'm in Excel and wish I could use Sheets' query function.
      - prepend 7y ago
        Pivots exist, but aren’t nearly as functional.
    - twojacobtwo 7y ago
      Sheets has charts and pivot tables. It definitely lacks some features of excel, but it also has some nice new additions that I love so far - e.g. Showing the return value of a formula while still editing.
      - prepend 7y ago
        Sorry, I didn’t mean that sheets doesn’t have charts. I meant that the charts in sheets are missing substantial features that have been in excel for years.
    - nwallin 7y ago
      The overwhelming majority of people who double click the Excel icon would be equally well served by sheets or localc. It's fine if you're an analyst and are more productive with Excel, but if you're the rest of us, it doesn't matter what spreadsheet app you use. For most of us, a spreadsheet is a spreadsheet and don't need anything more complicated than sum(). In most companies, it's silly to have Office installed by default for all employees. If you need it, fine, put in a request and we'll get it done. (please note there are a few things I'm NOT saying: 1) localc or sheets are as good as Excel for all users. 2) companies should save money by never paying for Excel, even if an employee wants to use Excel. 3) all companies should follow the rule of thumb outlined in my second paragraph.)
- jonathankoren 7y ago
  I use spreadsheet programs all the time during software development. it's a great way to quickly look at data or do some calculations. I use Numbers. Is it as good as Excel, not really, but it's good enough (although data import is still a bit lacking), and it's not a subscription.
  - bdcravens 7y ago
    I have a data import task I run about once a week - I've found Numbers does a better job not screwing the date field up I add than Excel does when I export to CSV (for import into our relational database)
jankiehodgpodge 7y ago
Office 365 is a bit more than some office apps though, you have teams, OneDrive, planner, forms, Todo, powerapps, stream and so on... It actually replaces a whole stack of SAAS apps most companies are already shelling out for.
- brentis 7y ago
  Shutter.. hate the msft sticky apps. They are giveaways simply to not lose market share. Can someone please make a free version of sharepoint already so I can be productive.

MS office is probably one of them. Office 365 isn’t worth it but most people don’t seem to know that.

by swiley 7y ago

MS office is probably one of them. Office 365 isn’t worth it but most people don’t seem to know that.

All companies I've worked at had dev environments that did not require any licensing. The tools used where mainly free or under the free tier (sublime, eclipse, CurcleCI, AWS...) For larger products those will require to purchase certain usage since the workload will be higher but that's a company product cost and not per dev. Unless one is developing MS products or is dependent on MS software I can't see how the numbers mentioned add up

geogra4 7y ago

Right but MS has such a stranglehold that no business dare run without office. It's a shame that no one really has competition for them

indymike 7y ago
I know plenty of companies that are on Google apps.
- geogra4 7y ago
  Even with that they're probably a still running windows

prostheticvamp 7y ago

For whom is it not worth it? Software devs? Are they representative of the average white collar? I couldn’t live without excel.

adjkant 7y ago
Sheets will fit a lot of excel use cases for those not doing serious heavy lifting with it. FWIW, I'm a software engineer and our IT department actually let people opt out of Microsoft office if they weren't using it to save money, and encouraging people to use Google Docs/Sheets (as most do anyways). I'm guessing a good deal of software engineers did that but there are plenty of non-engineers that probably also did outside of finance / some sales people.
- prepend 7y ago
  I am a big fan of sheets, but it is not Excel. Some of the functions are missing after all these years, not to mention charts and pivots. I think Google gave up on trying to compete with excel on features.
  - earthshot 7y ago
    Sheets has had pivots for years. It's become very rare that Sheets doesn't have a feature I want, whereas it's become more common that I'm in Excel and wish I could use Sheets' query function.
    - prepend 7y ago
      Pivots exist, but aren’t nearly as functional.
  - twojacobtwo 7y ago
    Sheets has charts and pivot tables. It definitely lacks some features of excel, but it also has some nice new additions that I love so far - e.g. Showing the return value of a formula while still editing.
    - prepend 7y ago
      Sorry, I didn’t mean that sheets doesn’t have charts. I meant that the charts in sheets are missing substantial features that have been in excel for years.
  - nwallin 7y ago
    The overwhelming majority of people who double click the Excel icon would be equally well served by sheets or localc. It's fine if you're an analyst and are more productive with Excel, but if you're the rest of us, it doesn't matter what spreadsheet app you use. For most of us, a spreadsheet is a spreadsheet and don't need anything more complicated than sum(). In most companies, it's silly to have Office installed by default for all employees. If you need it, fine, put in a request and we'll get it done. (please note there are a few things I'm NOT saying: 1) localc or sheets are as good as Excel for all users. 2) companies should save money by never paying for Excel, even if an employee wants to use Excel. 3) all companies should follow the rule of thumb outlined in my second paragraph.)
jonathankoren 7y ago
I use spreadsheet programs all the time during software development. it's a great way to quickly look at data or do some calculations. I use Numbers. Is it as good as Excel, not really, but it's good enough (although data import is still a bit lacking), and it's not a subscription.
- bdcravens 7y ago
  I have a data import task I run about once a week - I've found Numbers does a better job not screwing the date field up I add than Excel does when I export to CSV (for import into our relational database)

jankiehodgpodge 7y ago

Office 365 is a bit more than some office apps though, you have teams, OneDrive, planner, forms, Todo, powerapps, stream and so on... It actually replaces a whole stack of SAAS apps most companies are already shelling out for.

brentis 7y ago
Shutter.. hate the msft sticky apps. They are giveaways simply to not lose market share. Can someone please make a free version of sharepoint already so I can be productive.