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Small pickups, on the other hand, are fantastic. I've got a 2005 Ford Ranger. The bed is big enough that I've hauled drywall, lumber, flagstones, furniture, a d

by floren 7y ago

Small pickups, on the other hand, are fantastic. I've got a 2005 Ford Ranger. The bed is big enough that I've hauled drywall, lumber, flagstones, furniture, a dead elk... pretty much everything I've ever needed to move. But on the other hand, it's narrower than almost anything on the road today (barring compact cars of its own era and before), so it's easy to park. It's also got enough window visibility that I can easily keep track of each corner of the truck when I'm trying to park. It's got high enough clearance that I don't scrape the front when I pull up to the curb in a parking lot, and that I can drive down rutted forest roads without too much concern. I see a ton of little Rangers and S10s around town, but judging by how difficult it was to find my own, other people recognize how useful they are too! I think there are a lot of us who just want a small utilitarian vehicle, but when the Ranger was discontinued we lost that option in pickup format.

lostapathy 7y ago
It's a shame, really, that nobody makes small trucks in the USA anymore. Great vehicles.
- slouch 7y ago
  I hope my 2010 GMC Canyon lasts the rest of my life.
  - csours 7y ago
    I have a 2016 Colorado and I have some buyer's remorse over not getting one of the previous generation. The interior is much nicer, and it's a better truck overall (imho), but it suffers from size inflation. Taller truck =/= better truck #iWorkForGM
    - slouch 7y ago
      ...and that's not saying much. I have to punch the ceiling for the dome light to work pretty often. Compared to the Subarus I was used to, the GM interior is cheap.
- gamegoblin 7y ago
  Blame (at least in part) the chicken tax for distorting the market: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax
  - baddox 7y ago
    Light trucks abounded in my experience long after that tax. I thought the big change was that, starting maybe around 2000, full-sized trucks started getting nearly the same fuel economy for casual driving as compact trucks. I always suspected it was that, combined with the overall trend for preferring larger vehicles, that caused the relative decline of compact trucks.
  - toast0 7y ago
    I don't think that makes that big of a difference. This just means you need to build the trucks in a NAFTA facility, and everyone has one of those. It doesn't explain why the Ranger and the S10 were stopped. I think the manufactures like building the bigger trucks cause they make more $$$, and most buyers are willing to take a bigger truck if the smaller ones aren't available. But, having owned a regular cab Ranger I bought new and now a regular cab S10; they're lovely vehicles as long as you don't need to carry people. Amazing visibility; no fiddly bits, and you don't have to worry about curbs or parking stops.
    - gamegoblin 7y ago
      I don't know enough about the topic, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wouldn't be surprised if the market for small trucks isn't big enough to justify a NAFTA facility, but the 25% tariff on imports is enough to make importing light trucks (which are immensely popular in a lot of the world) a non-starter. That is, consider a bare-bones light truck with MSRP of $18K. After the tax, it becomes 23K. You can get an F150 for 28K, so in America you might as well get the bigger truck. Whereas if it were $18K vs $28K that would draw some of the market towards the smaller imported truck. And if some of the market is drawn towards the import, domestic makers might be forced to compete (e.g. with the Ranger).
    - theluketaylor 7y ago
- cameldrv 7y ago
  The problem I believe is CAFE (fuel economy) regulations. For light trucks, the required fuel economy to avoid a penalty is based on the "Footprint" of a vehicle, which is width*wheelbase. [1] An F-150 with a long bed is expected to get 25.25mpg. The new Ranger is expected to get 30.25mpg. The F-150 actually gets 22, and the Ranger gets 26. My understanding is that it's difficult to build a smaller truck that gets the required mileage. The result is that the new Ranger is the size of the F-150 from 15 years ago or so. You simply can't buy a compact pickup truck like the 90s Tacoma or Ranger. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy (scroll down to Agreed standards by model year, 2012–2025)
  - theluketaylor 7y ago
    An excellent example of a well meaning regulation with weird real world consequences. The new EU directive to hit 95g CO2/km is a much better regulation since it directly measures the goal: less carbon emitted. It also measures the fleet more directly, unlike CAFE that carves out tons of categories. It does allow for the double counting of EVs for a few years which incentivizes doing the R&D on EVs rather than paying penalties.
    - Ndymium 7y ago
      The issue with the EU directive is that it measures emissions just from the tailpipe, not for their lifetime. So an electric car always has 0 emissions even if driven on coal electricity. And a biogas car would have the same as a natural gas one. This hurts things like biogas needlessly. There have been efforts to change this, don't know their status.
intopieces 7y ago
The Ford Ranger is great! They even made an electric one for a while, up until 2002. Would love an upgraded one just like it with modern batteries and L2 charging. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger_EV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger_EV
blaser-waffle 7y ago
There is a 2019 and 2020 Ford Ranger. I used to have one of the old school Rangers and I miss it. Of the 3 new Ranger models the plain jane XL is the simple 2 door model, similar to the older Rangers. I haven't seen em much on the road, though, and haven't heard lots of good things. Not sure if that's cuz the 2019s were bad, or the market has shifted to the Big Stonkin Truck and no one wants to consider the smaller vehicles.

by floren 7y ago

lostapathy 7y ago

It's a shame, really, that nobody makes small trucks in the USA anymore. Great vehicles.

slouch 7y ago
I hope my 2010 GMC Canyon lasts the rest of my life.
- csours 7y ago
  I have a 2016 Colorado and I have some buyer's remorse over not getting one of the previous generation. The interior is much nicer, and it's a better truck overall (imho), but it suffers from size inflation. Taller truck =/= better truck #iWorkForGM
  - slouch 7y ago
    ...and that's not saying much. I have to punch the ceiling for the dome light to work pretty often. Compared to the Subarus I was used to, the GM interior is cheap.
gamegoblin 7y ago
Blame (at least in part) the chicken tax for distorting the market: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax
- baddox 7y ago
  Light trucks abounded in my experience long after that tax. I thought the big change was that, starting maybe around 2000, full-sized trucks started getting nearly the same fuel economy for casual driving as compact trucks. I always suspected it was that, combined with the overall trend for preferring larger vehicles, that caused the relative decline of compact trucks.
- toast0 7y ago
  I don't think that makes that big of a difference. This just means you need to build the trucks in a NAFTA facility, and everyone has one of those. It doesn't explain why the Ranger and the S10 were stopped. I think the manufactures like building the bigger trucks cause they make more $$$, and most buyers are willing to take a bigger truck if the smaller ones aren't available. But, having owned a regular cab Ranger I bought new and now a regular cab S10; they're lovely vehicles as long as you don't need to carry people. Amazing visibility; no fiddly bits, and you don't have to worry about curbs or parking stops.
  - gamegoblin 7y ago
    I don't know enough about the topic, so take this with a grain of salt, but I wouldn't be surprised if the market for small trucks isn't big enough to justify a NAFTA facility, but the 25% tariff on imports is enough to make importing light trucks (which are immensely popular in a lot of the world) a non-starter. That is, consider a bare-bones light truck with MSRP of $18K. After the tax, it becomes 23K. You can get an F150 for 28K, so in America you might as well get the bigger truck. Whereas if it were $18K vs $28K that would draw some of the market towards the smaller imported truck. And if some of the market is drawn towards the import, domestic makers might be forced to compete (e.g. with the Ranger).
  - theluketaylor 7y ago
cameldrv 7y ago
The problem I believe is CAFE (fuel economy) regulations. For light trucks, the required fuel economy to avoid a penalty is based on the "Footprint" of a vehicle, which is width*wheelbase. [1] An F-150 with a long bed is expected to get 25.25mpg. The new Ranger is expected to get 30.25mpg. The F-150 actually gets 22, and the Ranger gets 26. My understanding is that it's difficult to build a smaller truck that gets the required mileage. The result is that the new Ranger is the size of the F-150 from 15 years ago or so. You simply can't buy a compact pickup truck like the 90s Tacoma or Ranger. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy (scroll down to Agreed standards by model year, 2012–2025)
- theluketaylor 7y ago
  An excellent example of a well meaning regulation with weird real world consequences. The new EU directive to hit 95g CO2/km is a much better regulation since it directly measures the goal: less carbon emitted. It also measures the fleet more directly, unlike CAFE that carves out tons of categories. It does allow for the double counting of EVs for a few years which incentivizes doing the R&D on EVs rather than paying penalties.
  - Ndymium 7y ago
    The issue with the EU directive is that it measures emissions just from the tailpipe, not for their lifetime. So an electric car always has 0 emissions even if driven on coal electricity. And a biogas car would have the same as a natural gas one. This hurts things like biogas needlessly. There have been efforts to change this, don't know their status.

intopieces 7y ago

The Ford Ranger is great! They even made an electric one for a while, up until 2002. Would love an upgraded one just like it with modern batteries and L2 charging. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger_EV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger_EV

blaser-waffle 7y ago

There is a 2019 and 2020 Ford Ranger. I used to have one of the old school Rangers and I miss it. Of the 3 new Ranger models the plain jane XL is the simple 2 door model, similar to the older Rangers. I haven't seen em much on the road, though, and haven't heard lots of good things. Not sure if that's cuz the 2019s were bad, or the market has shifted to the Big Stonkin Truck and no one wants to consider the smaller vehicles.