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Article is written by someone who does not own a truck or SUV and consists mainly of him sneering in superiority at those who do. Aaron Gordon, whoever you are

by avalys 7y ago

Article is written by someone who does not own a truck or SUV and consists mainly of him sneering in superiority at those who do. Aaron Gordon, whoever you are: mind your own damn business.

jefurii 7y ago
I support Aaron Gordon's right to express his opinions, which I happen to share. I also assert that people who buy and drive gratuitously huge trucks are polluting the atmosphere, which affects me and my family and which gives me a right to weigh in on this. [Note: I did not downvote you - that was other people.]
- caconym_ 7y ago
  Polluting the atmosphere, sure, but don't forget that their masses and geometries also put other road users in direct mortal danger to a degree that reasonably sized cars don't. It's almost funny how so many large SUV and truck owners actively project the attitude their vehicular choices imply: "I don't give a shit about anybody but myself."
- chrisan 7y ago
  In addition to not driving a truck did you also give up meat which is a far bigger harm to the environment?
  - jefurii 7y ago
    As a matter of fact I have given up eating beef (except for certain special occasions involving traditional family foods) and drinking cow's milk for this very reason. I also restrict my intake of pork, which is the next most environmentally-damaging food animal. I'm definitely not a vegetarian, more like a flexitarian.
    - chrisan 7y ago
      > except for certain special occasions involving traditional family foods Nice, we are trying to get there. Down to kike once or twice a month for red meat. Rest is vegetarian and chicken maybe twice a week.
      - jefurii 7y ago
        Yep, we gotta do what we can starting with where we're at.
rtkwe 7y ago
Unless your job requires you to haul stuff around on a regular basis what use is a truck? For the exceedingly rare cases where a person not in those trades does need to haul furniture or building supplies, rentals are exceedingly cheap from numerous places.
- Someone1234 7y ago
  > rentals are exceedingly cheap from numerous places It is $100+/day out the door around here. Where are you where it is "exceedingly cheap" and what is your definition of that?
  - triceratops 7y ago
    A U-haul truck starts at $20/day + $1/mile.[1] Where are you getting $100+/day from? Not to mention the difference in operating costs between a truck and a more modest hatchback could easily by $100/month. How often is someone hauling something that can't fit in a U-haul truck? 1. https://www.uhaul.com/Reservations/RatesTrucks/ https://www.uhaul.com/Reservations/RatesTrucks/
    - Someone1234 7y ago
      > Where are you getting $100+/day from? After I rented a truck for a day, I handed them $100+. I rented from the cheapest local place. Home Depot is $39/4 hours + tax for comparison. Sounds like you're reading some advert, have never actually tried to rent the truck, and legitimately expect to pay just $20/day. Good luck with that. $20/day would be a dream come true around here, I paid more than that in tax and fees alone.
      - triceratops 7y ago
        Please read my entire post. It's $20/day + $1/mile. Not literally $20. And you have to refill gas. > Sounds like you're reading some advert, have never actually tried to rent the truck, and legitimately expect to pay just $20/day I have rented from U-haul in the past. No special ads or deals or anything. I just walked into the store and took what they had. It sounds like you got ripped off by Home Depot. The last time I moved my entire apartment with all my belongings and furniture, I rented a big moving truck and spent like $70 total.
francisofascii 7y ago
Smaller vehicles do have "superior" gas mileage, which sadly many Americans don't seem to care about. Also, trucks and SUVs are simply not safe to others, especially to cyclists and pedestrians. This is more serious issue than people acknowledge.
fargle 7y ago
Strikes me that a lot of the comments, not to mention the article itself, seem to approaching the problem from the perspective of what other people should think and how they should behave. As if certain choices automatically make you and superior human. I think perhaps avalys could have expressed it more politely, but at least he was succinct. That article is very judgemental. I'm sure I could invent lots and lots of ways anybody could be potentially annoying or impacting me and my family. I'm not going to use that as an excuse to claim some assumed moral high ground. People absolutely have the right to buy and drive what they want. The overwhelming popularity and price of pickups, even at a large size, is testament that it is working for them and is well worth it to a lot of people. I'd prefer to read the comments pro or con that talk about one's personal experience with their automotive choices, rather than finger-waging at and judging those they don't agree with.

by avalys 7y ago

Article is written by someone who does not own a truck or SUV and consists mainly of him sneering in superiority at those who do. Aaron Gordon, whoever you are: mind your own damn business.

jefurii 7y ago

I support Aaron Gordon's right to express his opinions, which I happen to share. I also assert that people who buy and drive gratuitously huge trucks are polluting the atmosphere, which affects me and my family and which gives me a right to weigh in on this. [Note: I did not downvote you - that was other people.]

caconym_ 7y ago
Polluting the atmosphere, sure, but don't forget that their masses and geometries also put other road users in direct mortal danger to a degree that reasonably sized cars don't. It's almost funny how so many large SUV and truck owners actively project the attitude their vehicular choices imply: "I don't give a shit about anybody but myself."
chrisan 7y ago
In addition to not driving a truck did you also give up meat which is a far bigger harm to the environment?
- jefurii 7y ago
  As a matter of fact I have given up eating beef (except for certain special occasions involving traditional family foods) and drinking cow's milk for this very reason. I also restrict my intake of pork, which is the next most environmentally-damaging food animal. I'm definitely not a vegetarian, more like a flexitarian.
  - chrisan 7y ago
    > except for certain special occasions involving traditional family foods Nice, we are trying to get there. Down to kike once or twice a month for red meat. Rest is vegetarian and chicken maybe twice a week.
    - jefurii 7y ago
      Yep, we gotta do what we can starting with where we're at.

rtkwe 7y ago

Unless your job requires you to haul stuff around on a regular basis what use is a truck? For the exceedingly rare cases where a person not in those trades does need to haul furniture or building supplies, rentals are exceedingly cheap from numerous places.

Someone1234 7y ago
> rentals are exceedingly cheap from numerous places It is $100+/day out the door around here. Where are you where it is "exceedingly cheap" and what is your definition of that?
- triceratops 7y ago
  A U-haul truck starts at $20/day + $1/mile.[1] Where are you getting $100+/day from? Not to mention the difference in operating costs between a truck and a more modest hatchback could easily by $100/month. How often is someone hauling something that can't fit in a U-haul truck? 1. https://www.uhaul.com/Reservations/RatesTrucks/ https://www.uhaul.com/Reservations/RatesTrucks/
  - Someone1234 7y ago
    > Where are you getting $100+/day from? After I rented a truck for a day, I handed them $100+. I rented from the cheapest local place. Home Depot is $39/4 hours + tax for comparison. Sounds like you're reading some advert, have never actually tried to rent the truck, and legitimately expect to pay just $20/day. Good luck with that. $20/day would be a dream come true around here, I paid more than that in tax and fees alone.
    - triceratops 7y ago
      Please read my entire post. It's $20/day + $1/mile. Not literally $20. And you have to refill gas. > Sounds like you're reading some advert, have never actually tried to rent the truck, and legitimately expect to pay just $20/day I have rented from U-haul in the past. No special ads or deals or anything. I just walked into the store and took what they had. It sounds like you got ripped off by Home Depot. The last time I moved my entire apartment with all my belongings and furniture, I rented a big moving truck and spent like $70 total.

francisofascii 7y ago

Smaller vehicles do have "superior" gas mileage, which sadly many Americans don't seem to care about. Also, trucks and SUVs are simply not safe to others, especially to cyclists and pedestrians. This is more serious issue than people acknowledge.

fargle 7y ago

Strikes me that a lot of the comments, not to mention the article itself, seem to approaching the problem from the perspective of what other people should think and how they should behave. As if certain choices automatically make you and superior human. I think perhaps avalys could have expressed it more politely, but at least he was succinct. That article is very judgemental. I'm sure I could invent lots and lots of ways anybody could be potentially annoying or impacting me and my family. I'm not going to use that as an excuse to claim some assumed moral high ground. People absolutely have the right to buy and drive what they want. The overwhelming popularity and price of pickups, even at a large size, is testament that it is working for them and is well worth it to a lot of people. I'd prefer to read the comments pro or con that talk about one's personal experience with their automotive choices, rather than finger-waging at and judging those they don't agree with.