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This is going to sound cliched, but I'm doing this in part for the people who can't do this. I have the flexibility to do this, and I kind of figure "from me,

This is going to sound cliched, but I'm doing this in part for the people who can't do this. I have the flexibility to do this, and I kind of figure "from me, according to my ability". If it improves the situation, then I've succeeded to some small extent. Everyone else: if you can't stick your neck out, DON'T. (Also, some people want to hire you because you're a straight shooter and you don't stand for bullshit. It's not burning bridges, it's finding the ones that weren't worth a damn in the first place. The good ones will still be there, and will be even stronger for it.)

ncmncm 7y ago
And... if you are thinking maybe you should leave a job, leave yesterday! Those of us who solve problems solve them by stubbornness, by not giving up. But problems with a toxic workplace can be solved only by giving up. If everybody suffering also left, the problem people they are all supporting would drop right through the floor.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Don't just leave; take every decent coworker you can with you.
  - ncmncm 7y ago
    It's a moral imperative.
  - subhobroto 7y ago
    In my experience it does not come to that. Your (ex)coworkers will just apply where you happen to currently work. It happens organically without any suggesting or prodding.
subhobroto 7y ago
> I'm doing this in part for the people who can't do this A serious heartfelt THANK YOU for doing this. > Also, some people want to hire you because you're a straight shooter Absolutely! Life's too short to work with people who are not looking out for you. Life's too short to work with people who think they are pragmatic by being deliberately ambigious or outright misleading. Just move on, if you can. There is more than one team out there thats exactly what you're looking for. It might take time and effort on your part to find them, but with enough effort you will. There absolutely are people who want to build a solid business. Part of building a solid business is building solid relationships. Evidence? Every company, that failed to build solid relationships, no matter how big to fail they were in the past, are nothing today.

ncmncm 7y ago

And... if you are thinking maybe you should leave a job, leave yesterday! Those of us who solve problems solve them by stubbornness, by not giving up. But problems with a toxic workplace can be solved only by giving up. If everybody suffering also left, the problem people they are all supporting would drop right through the floor.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Don't just leave; take every decent coworker you can with you.
- ncmncm 7y ago
  It's a moral imperative.
- subhobroto 7y ago
  In my experience it does not come to that. Your (ex)coworkers will just apply where you happen to currently work. It happens organically without any suggesting or prodding.

subhobroto 7y ago

> I'm doing this in part for the people who can't do this A serious heartfelt THANK YOU for doing this. > Also, some people want to hire you because you're a straight shooter Absolutely! Life's too short to work with people who are not looking out for you. Life's too short to work with people who think they are pragmatic by being deliberately ambigious or outright misleading. Just move on, if you can. There is more than one team out there thats exactly what you're looking for. It might take time and effort on your part to find them, but with enough effort you will. There absolutely are people who want to build a solid business. Part of building a solid business is building solid relationships. Evidence? Every company, that failed to build solid relationships, no matter how big to fail they were in the past, are nothing today.