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A disaster, and yet I remember reading about attempts to replace it when I was still in University, and now here I am over a decade into my career and Wayland s

by jgon 7y ago

A disaster, and yet I remember reading about attempts to replace it when I was still in University, and now here I am over a decade into my career and Wayland still isn't ready for primetime, especially if you use a video card from the #1 producer of performance video cards on the planet. Small use case I guess. X lets you do forwarding over the network and maybe sometime in the 2020's Wayland will have some sort of remote desktop solution? Still waiting on that to be ironed out... Replacing X feels like the nuclear fusion project of the Linux world, constantly receeding into the future even as it maintains its promises of fixing all our problem When It's Done(tm).

cycloptic 7y ago
There are various solutions already available for remoting in Wayland. GNOME: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop KDE: https://userbase.kde.org/Krfb https://userbase.kde.org/Krfb Sway/wlroots: https://github.com/any1/wayvnc https://github.com/any1/wayvnc Generic: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mstoeckl/waypipe/ https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mstoeckl/waypipe/ Web-Based: https://github.com/udevbe/greenfield https://github.com/udevbe/greenfield You can also still use your X11 programs remotely within Wayland, by using XWayland, which is supported by all the major implementations. Unrelated to Wayland, there is also backend support in GTK3/4 for rendering to a web socket: https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-broadway.html https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-broadway.html
- ricktdotorg 7y ago
  from this page: > GNOME: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop "Currently only remote passwordless unencrypted VNC access to an existing session is supported." i guess that is technically a solution, but not a good one.
  - cycloptic 7y ago
    Yes, the quality of these varies, pick the one that is right for you. X11 forwarding is not without issues either. With VNC you'll probably also want to tunnel the connection over SSH to secure it rather than rely on server authentication anyway.
  - s_gourichon 7y ago
    This not universally good, but I would never open a port to a VNC server anyway, encrypted or not. Tunneling a passwordless unencrypted protocol through a SSH tunnel is fine, still.
kick 7y ago
You can use NVIDIA cards with Wayland, you just can't use NVIDIA's proprietary driver with wlroots (which is by no means the only Wayland compositor). Wayland is the default in many distributions, and if you're using one of the more common desktop environments, you'll get by just fine when using the proprietary driver.

by jgon 7y ago

cycloptic 7y ago

There are various solutions already available for remoting in Wayland. GNOME: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop KDE: https://userbase.kde.org/Krfb https://userbase.kde.org/Krfb Sway/wlroots: https://github.com/any1/wayvnc https://github.com/any1/wayvnc Generic: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mstoeckl/waypipe/ https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mstoeckl/waypipe/ Web-Based: https://github.com/udevbe/greenfield https://github.com/udevbe/greenfield You can also still use your X11 programs remotely within Wayland, by using XWayland, which is supported by all the major implementations. Unrelated to Wayland, there is also backend support in GTK3/4 for rendering to a web socket: https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-broadway.html https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-broadway.html

ricktdotorg 7y ago
from this page: > GNOME: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop "Currently only remote passwordless unencrypted VNC access to an existing session is supported." i guess that is technically a solution, but not a good one.
- cycloptic 7y ago
  Yes, the quality of these varies, pick the one that is right for you. X11 forwarding is not without issues either. With VNC you'll probably also want to tunnel the connection over SSH to secure it rather than rely on server authentication anyway.
- s_gourichon 7y ago
  This not universally good, but I would never open a port to a VNC server anyway, encrypted or not. Tunneling a passwordless unencrypted protocol through a SSH tunnel is fine, still.

kick 7y ago

You can use NVIDIA cards with Wayland, you just can't use NVIDIA's proprietary driver with wlroots (which is by no means the only Wayland compositor). Wayland is the default in many distributions, and if you're using one of the more common desktop environments, you'll get by just fine when using the proprietary driver.