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To use different phrasing, what you're saying is that you want people to be poorer. Please understand that I don't mean this as a personal attack on you, your
by rmah 7y ago
To use different phrasing, what you're saying is that you want people to be poorer. Please understand that I don't mean this as a personal attack on you, your beliefs or philosophy. But from a different perspective, that really is what you're saying. Do you really want to say that?
Perhaps a better alternative is: a good goal would be to allow people to have more while using less natural resources and polluting the environment less. While certainly difficult, I'd hope that advances in efficiency (such as more automation) could theoretically allow this!
- wongarsu 7y agoIt's worth noting that more automation should also lead to shorter work weeks (or alternatively more unemployment). So the effect stays pretty much the same, the question is only if people keep the same compensation for fewer hours or if compensation per hour stays about the same.
- dwaltrip 7y agoYou are using very charged and slanted language. Likely, their lives will be greatly enriched by an extra day off of work per week. Bank accounts, the GDP, and other similar metrics fail to capture enormous amounts of value and meaning in our lives. Even the progress of scientific understanding is poorly measured in this way.
- bluGill 7y agoMaybe. What will you do with that free time? Most people will give an answer that depends on having toys they can no longer afford.
- dwaltrip 7y agoI don't think that is true. Here a few things people might do: * Spend valuable time with a young child * Relax at the park * Spend time with family and friends * Take care of household chores or administrative life tasks that one has been procrastinating on * Go hiking * Read a book * Watch a show or movie * Learn a new skill or start a new hobby * Build a website or start a blog that isn't profitable but adds value to the world
- bluGill 7y agoI didn't say there weren't options. I said that people would prefer options that need more money. MrMoneyMustache retired at 30 because he was willing to forgo a lot of toys. He is willing to go without those toys.
- BlackCherry 7y agoI think you're confusing consumerist propaganda we are bombarded with in media designed to literally get us to purchase stuff from the ads they are displaying with real life people. Real life people on average desire more quality time with their communities/families and to make themselves a "better person" through hobbies, learning, exercise, sports.
- bluntfang 7y ago>To use different phrasing, I don't find this style of discourse productive. Why do you insist on putting words in their mouth in an attempt to lead them down the discussion you want to have instead of what's being presented? Asking for clarification on why you don't understand their statement could be more productive, but I don't think you're interested in that anyways.
- Cobord 7y agoYes. I do want the per capita and total GDP to be lower if that means raising the minimum of the distribution and reducing its variance.
- hinkley 7y agoI want people to figure out that materialism doesn't actually make them happy. And to stop cutting down forests while they haven't figured it out. I don't want poor people to have nothing. I want the middle class to look elsewhere for status besides carbon footprint.
- togs 7y agoI think you’re too hasty to assume OP thinks they should be unemployed AND have no income. Anyways I agree that we need to work less.