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What are the demographics of those that dropped out of the work force? Didn't some UBI studies observe that while there are people that dropped out of the workf

What are the demographics of those that dropped out of the work force? Didn't some UBI studies observe that while there are people that dropped out of the workforce, these people consisted of mothers that can now go back to child rearing or younger people that can now pursue an education?

simonsarris 7y ago
It is extremely unfortunate but studies like this are almost always done by people with somewhat close-ended goals. This research in this one is mostly self reports, and then, mostly "did free money make you feel better?" They are not recording, or interested in recording, the nature of who dropped out of the workforce and why, even though that seems like far more important, and somewhat more empirical, information.
- 52-6F-62 7y ago
  In your criticism you are missing some crucial details surrounding this report. This is essentially scrounging to make the most out of what was a single, but fully budgeted, study on BI with the intention of running more studies. The study was cancelled by the incoming government out of spite. All people who set up plans, knowing the full length of the study beforehand were suddenly tossed out of the program and it was just down, including any study occurring. They're trying to gather what and any information they can from the program that wasn't even given the chance to run to completion. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/basic-income-pilot-project-ford-cancel-1.4771343 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/basic-income-pilot-project-fo...
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jbeales 7y ago
Not really demographics, but from the article: > while some people did stop working, about half of them headed back to school in hopes of coming back to a better job.
76543210 7y ago
Child rearing seems like a waste of talent. Our high cost of education should be teaching people to create more value than the 15k/yr of value it is raising a child before the age of 5.(daycare costs, 4 children per 1 adult) As an ancedote, it seems part time mothers are significantly happier than stay at home moms.
- rocmcd 7y ago
  Trying to distill 'child rearing' to $15k/year and calling it a 'waste of talent' is absurd. Not everything can (and should) be broken down into a monetary amount and optimized for. You can classify anything as a 'waste of talent' when looking through this lens. Are you a software engineer? If so, then doing literally anything apart from developing software is a 'waste of talent'. Cleaning dishes? Gardening? Exercising?
  - 76543210 7y ago
    Yes, having a software engineer cleaning dishes for a restaurant is a waste of talent. Maybe if overtime was flexible, you could suggest hiring unskilled workers to do those tasks at home. I love my kid, but it's not like he's learning cutting edge stuff that requires an engineer to teach them. And there's many hours in the evenings and weekends we spend together where he learns how his dad behaves.
    - refurb 7y ago
      A huge part of growing up is developing bonds, understanding relationships and getting your kid on a firm footing so they can deal with what the world throws at them. A lot of that develop happens when they are not learning, or at least you don’t think they are.
      - 76543210 7y ago
        I've been working full time and my kid gets excited to see me every day. The bond is there. If you really want to turn this around, imagine how dependent a child would be on a parent if they never used a babysitter.

simonsarris 7y ago

It is extremely unfortunate but studies like this are almost always done by people with somewhat close-ended goals. This research in this one is mostly self reports, and then, mostly "did free money make you feel better?" They are not recording, or interested in recording, the nature of who dropped out of the workforce and why, even though that seems like far more important, and somewhat more empirical, information.

52-6F-62 7y ago
In your criticism you are missing some crucial details surrounding this report. This is essentially scrounging to make the most out of what was a single, but fully budgeted, study on BI with the intention of running more studies. The study was cancelled by the incoming government out of spite. All people who set up plans, knowing the full length of the study beforehand were suddenly tossed out of the program and it was just down, including any study occurring. They're trying to gather what and any information they can from the program that wasn't even given the chance to run to completion. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/basic-income-pilot-project-ford-cancel-1.4771343 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/basic-income-pilot-project-fo...

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jbeales 7y ago

Not really demographics, but from the article: > while some people did stop working, about half of them headed back to school in hopes of coming back to a better job.

76543210 7y ago

Child rearing seems like a waste of talent. Our high cost of education should be teaching people to create more value than the 15k/yr of value it is raising a child before the age of 5.(daycare costs, 4 children per 1 adult) As an ancedote, it seems part time mothers are significantly happier than stay at home moms.

rocmcd 7y ago
Trying to distill 'child rearing' to $15k/year and calling it a 'waste of talent' is absurd. Not everything can (and should) be broken down into a monetary amount and optimized for. You can classify anything as a 'waste of talent' when looking through this lens. Are you a software engineer? If so, then doing literally anything apart from developing software is a 'waste of talent'. Cleaning dishes? Gardening? Exercising?
- 76543210 7y ago
  Yes, having a software engineer cleaning dishes for a restaurant is a waste of talent. Maybe if overtime was flexible, you could suggest hiring unskilled workers to do those tasks at home. I love my kid, but it's not like he's learning cutting edge stuff that requires an engineer to teach them. And there's many hours in the evenings and weekends we spend together where he learns how his dad behaves.
  - refurb 7y ago
    A huge part of growing up is developing bonds, understanding relationships and getting your kid on a firm footing so they can deal with what the world throws at them. A lot of that develop happens when they are not learning, or at least you don’t think they are.
    - 76543210 7y ago
      I've been working full time and my kid gets excited to see me every day. The bond is there. If you really want to turn this around, imagine how dependent a child would be on a parent if they never used a babysitter.