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There actually is a process. You send an official copywrite counterclaim. Not through their fake on platform system, but instead through their "official" count

by stale2002 7y ago

There actually is a process. You send an official copywrite counterclaim. Not through their fake on platform system, but instead through their "official" counter claim contact info email. They would then be required by law to reinstate the content. The step after that would be that the other party now has to go to court, to take down your content.

PeterisP 7y ago
They can't file a DMCA counterclaim because they never received a DMCA claim in the first place. Youtube simply blocks the content, you don't even get a proper claim with the contact info. "They would then be required by law to reinstate the content. The step after that would be that the other party now has to go to court, to take down your content." is the followup process for a DMCA claim - but that's not what's happening here. Youtube is not requiring claimants to submit a DMCA claim (with all the associated process) and they are not submitting DMCA claims. Youtube could make their copyright claim process following these rules if they wanted to be on the side of users, but they have not. They can also choose to have a process where any complaint simply causes content to get removed with no recourse, and this is pretty much what they have done.
jtbayly 7y ago
If it’s this easy, why don’t people just do it? And why haven’t I heard of this before in all these topics?
- stale2002 7y ago
  > why don’t people just do it? Because people don't know about it. Also, for many people, even doing something like "sending an email to counter claim" is too much work for them to bother doing it. You'd be surprised how many people won't follow through on something when there is even the smallest barrier to them doing so. > And why haven’t I heard of this before in all these topics? Things can get to be pretty technical, when people are talking about the minutia of a counter claim to DMCA. It does not surprise me that info like this is not well known.
  - limomium 7y ago
    But we are not talking about the DMCA system. We are talking about YouTube's own system that is not DMCA and for which they are not required to provide due process.
  - jtbayly 7y ago
    So, what is this magical Google email address? I don't think it exists.
    - stale2002 7y ago
      I am glad that you asked. It is provided on the official copyright.gov website. All this stuff is in a searchable database that is helpful provided by the US government, and is required by law. Ex for Google: https://dmca.copyright.gov/osp/publish/history.html?search=Google&id=18b733849581703204a3229ddd03c10b https://dmca.copyright.gov/osp/publish/history.html?search=G...
      - redis_mlc 7y ago
        For DMCA, it's dmca-agent@google.com But it's more likely that you get a Youtube takedown, which is not related to DMCA. There's a UI for that in the mgmt. console.

PeterisP 7y ago

They can't file a DMCA counterclaim because they never received a DMCA claim in the first place. Youtube simply blocks the content, you don't even get a proper claim with the contact info. "They would then be required by law to reinstate the content. The step after that would be that the other party now has to go to court, to take down your content." is the followup process for a DMCA claim - but that's not what's happening here. Youtube is not requiring claimants to submit a DMCA claim (with all the associated process) and they are not submitting DMCA claims. Youtube could make their copyright claim process following these rules if they wanted to be on the side of users, but they have not. They can also choose to have a process where any complaint simply causes content to get removed with no recourse, and this is pretty much what they have done.

jtbayly 7y ago

If it’s this easy, why don’t people just do it? And why haven’t I heard of this before in all these topics?

stale2002 7y ago
> why don’t people just do it? Because people don't know about it. Also, for many people, even doing something like "sending an email to counter claim" is too much work for them to bother doing it. You'd be surprised how many people won't follow through on something when there is even the smallest barrier to them doing so. > And why haven’t I heard of this before in all these topics? Things can get to be pretty technical, when people are talking about the minutia of a counter claim to DMCA. It does not surprise me that info like this is not well known.
- limomium 7y ago
  But we are not talking about the DMCA system. We are talking about YouTube's own system that is not DMCA and for which they are not required to provide due process.
- jtbayly 7y ago
  So, what is this magical Google email address? I don't think it exists.
  - stale2002 7y ago
    I am glad that you asked. It is provided on the official copyright.gov website. All this stuff is in a searchable database that is helpful provided by the US government, and is required by law. Ex for Google: https://dmca.copyright.gov/osp/publish/history.html?search=Google&id=18b733849581703204a3229ddd03c10b https://dmca.copyright.gov/osp/publish/history.html?search=G...
    - redis_mlc 7y ago
      For DMCA, it's dmca-agent@google.com But it's more likely that you get a Youtube takedown, which is not related to DMCA. There's a UI for that in the mgmt. console.