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All of this is a legal system that has a square hole and a circular hole not knowing what to do with a triangular peg. Governments job is to realize that this i
by freepor 7y ago
All of this is a legal system that has a square hole and a circular hole not knowing what to do with a triangular peg. Governments job is to realize that this is a new category of work and create laws specifically to address it.
- duxut_staglatz 7y agoWhat's the new category? Currently in France there is: - employment where you trade liberty (i.e. subordination) against protection (can't be fired at will, minimum wage, guaranteed income set in the contract...) from a company - being an independent worker where you keep your liberty and do not get protection If there is a third category like what Uber is currently doing, you trade your liberty (subordination) against no protection. It is not a new category, it is lowering the protection of employment. Which may or may not be a good thing, that's not my point, but I fail to see where's the new category of work.
- freepor 7y agoThe new category is that Uber is as controlling as an employer in some ways (manner of work) but not in others (time and place of work). There should be a legal framework to handle these hybrid scenarios.
- on_and_off 7y agowhy does the government need to bend backwards to allow underpaid jobs ?
- scarejunba 7y agoPresumably if sufficient participants in the process of that government prefer to work these jobs. What does 'underpaid' mean in this context?
- Mirioron 7y agoIf people voluntarily choose those jobs then doesn't that mean those jobs are better than the alternatives they have? It also provides a pretty nice service.
- madsbuch 7y agoThat people are able to do what's best for them is a faulty assumption and the key argument for regulation.
- pishpash 7y agoBy this amazing logic, that people (regulators) do what's best for somebody else who is not even oneself should be an even faultier assumption.
- manigandham 7y agoThis attitude that people need to be saved from themselves usually leads to worse conditions for everyone.
- madsbuch 7y agoI reckon you are happy that you didn't work in the mines when you were 9 years of age? Or am I completely wrong? Oh wait, naturally you would have been able to decide for your own best.
- manigandham 7y agoWhat a strange example. Nobody forced kids to work in mines. Full-time driving jobs already exist. Anyone who wants one can already get one. Why take away their freedom to choose flexibility if they want it?
- madsbuch 7y agoThis was about regulations. I never commented on the uber drivers. Tbh, I have not enough insight to know if they should be protected. I am merely pointing out, that is is easy to forget what regulations do for you. And yes, 9 year old have worked in mines before working age was regulated.
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- zoonosis 7y agoClearly the drivers are paid enough to be willing to do it.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y agoWhere do you draw the line on that argument? Was the Victorian child labour cool too because they were willing to do it? Were the labour unions employees bad for everyone involved? If not, why not?
- zoonosis 7y agoChildren used to work because they had to in order to survive. The choices were work or starve to death. Taking away the option to work obviously makes them worse off. This plays out today when western countries force labor laws in countries like Bangladesh. When the children can no longer work in factories they often have to resort to prostitution. The question of labor unions is a different issue. Labor unions do benefit their members who do get raises because of their actions. They do not benefit the people who will no longer get hired because the cost of labor is now higher. They do not benefit workers in other industries because the prices they will pay will be higher and displaced workers will enter their industry lowering their wages. Labor unions harm society at large in order to benefit their memebers.
- henryfjordan 7y agoWhy do you presume that laws declaring a third category of worker wouldn't include wage protections?
- username90 7y agoThese aren't jobs, all jobs I know require a lengthy job application and thorough screening so you probably wont even get it. The fact that it is possible to earn money without all of that is a good thing, and governments trying to outlaw such work is horrible imo. And no, Ubers model wont work with employees due to the minimum hourly wage. Currently people need to do a good job to earn money, but if each worker is guaranteed a certain amount per hour then uber will be forced to start screening and firing applicants manually like everyone else instead of the current automated process.
- freepor 7y agoThe government can set any kind of regulations it wants without force-fitting into the antiquated dichotomy of “contractor” vs “employee”