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I don't know if that's true. Our hourlies get benefits like health insurance, vacation, etc. Maybe not as good as salaried but it's not as clear cut as "hourly

I don't know if that's true. Our hourlies get benefits like health insurance, vacation, etc. Maybe not as good as salaried but it's not as clear cut as "hourly pay only."

atomoton 7y ago
In Ontario (at least pre-Ford) you can get full-time benefits as an hourly worker, as long as you work 40h a week or more (or maybe 35?). It's been awhile though so I'm not super confident on the details here.
- dahfizz 7y ago
  The same is true (at least in my experience) in America. Over 40 hrs/week means the employer has to pay out extra benefits. This is also why employers do not want you to work over 39 hours if you're not salaried.
  - lotsofpulp 7y ago
    In the US, over 40 hours simply means 1.5x your regular payrate after the 40th hour, if you're "non exempt", i.e. hourly. Some employers might offer something more. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/overtime https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/overtime
    - ApolloFortyNine 7y ago
      If the company has more than 50 employees they are required to pay for healthcare if you work more than 30 hours a week [1]. https://www.employmentlawhandbook.com/federal-employment-and-labor-laws/aca/ https://www.employmentlawhandbook.com/federal-employment-and...
- freepor 7y ago
  Which is why so many people are on 29/34/39 hour schedules.
  - CydeWeys 7y ago
    Yeah, this is why, like so many other things involving regulation, there should be a gradual proportional phase-out, not a hard line in the sand. So rather than paying two people to do 20 hours each and pay for no benefits, if you did that, you'd be paying for half benefits for each, at which point you may as well just have one person doing 40 hours a week who's fully employed and getting full benefits like you should've been doing all along.
dahfizz 7y ago
What does paid time off even look like if you don't have a set schedule, though? Will Uber drivers just get n hours of wage added to their paycheck every month?
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  I work for an organisation on a contract of as many hours as I want, and I just get paid pro-rata for days off. It’s effectively just extra pay.
- tyfon 7y ago
  Where I live the company has to set aside 12.5% of the salary paid for next years "vacation money". You can chose yourself when to withdraw this money in the following year. For a full time job you are required to take 25 days (or 5 weeks) off work outside of public holidays which is about 10% of the total working time so you usually have a bit more to spend in this period even if the vacation itself is unpaid :)
  - fastball 7y ago
    Why not just pay them more? Seems like a convoluted way to structure a pay increase.
    - tyfon 7y ago
      Because then you would have a bunch of people without money in the vacation month ;) I'd be able to manage it personally but you will find that a lot of people wouldn't..
      - fastball 7y ago
        I find the idea of legislating how businesses operate based on the idea that people aren't expected to have personal responsibility highly distasteful.
        7y ago
munk-a 7y ago
In America very few of those (except health insurance) are actually mandated by the government. Sadly in the US most employment benefits are only exchanged at the grace of the employer.

I don't know if that's true. Our hourlies get benefits like health insurance, vacation, etc. Maybe not as good as salaried but it's not as clear cut as "hourly pay only."

atomoton 7y ago

In Ontario (at least pre-Ford) you can get full-time benefits as an hourly worker, as long as you work 40h a week or more (or maybe 35?). It's been awhile though so I'm not super confident on the details here.

dahfizz 7y ago
The same is true (at least in my experience) in America. Over 40 hrs/week means the employer has to pay out extra benefits. This is also why employers do not want you to work over 39 hours if you're not salaried.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  In the US, over 40 hours simply means 1.5x your regular payrate after the 40th hour, if you're "non exempt", i.e. hourly. Some employers might offer something more. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/overtime https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/overtime
  - ApolloFortyNine 7y ago
    If the company has more than 50 employees they are required to pay for healthcare if you work more than 30 hours a week [1]. https://www.employmentlawhandbook.com/federal-employment-and-labor-laws/aca/ https://www.employmentlawhandbook.com/federal-employment-and...
freepor 7y ago
Which is why so many people are on 29/34/39 hour schedules.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  Yeah, this is why, like so many other things involving regulation, there should be a gradual proportional phase-out, not a hard line in the sand. So rather than paying two people to do 20 hours each and pay for no benefits, if you did that, you'd be paying for half benefits for each, at which point you may as well just have one person doing 40 hours a week who's fully employed and getting full benefits like you should've been doing all along.

dahfizz 7y ago

What does paid time off even look like if you don't have a set schedule, though? Will Uber drivers just get n hours of wage added to their paycheck every month?

chrisseaton 7y ago
I work for an organisation on a contract of as many hours as I want, and I just get paid pro-rata for days off. It’s effectively just extra pay.
tyfon 7y ago
Where I live the company has to set aside 12.5% of the salary paid for next years "vacation money". You can chose yourself when to withdraw this money in the following year. For a full time job you are required to take 25 days (or 5 weeks) off work outside of public holidays which is about 10% of the total working time so you usually have a bit more to spend in this period even if the vacation itself is unpaid :)
- fastball 7y ago
  Why not just pay them more? Seems like a convoluted way to structure a pay increase.
  - tyfon 7y ago
    Because then you would have a bunch of people without money in the vacation month ;) I'd be able to manage it personally but you will find that a lot of people wouldn't..
    - fastball 7y ago
      I find the idea of legislating how businesses operate based on the idea that people aren't expected to have personal responsibility highly distasteful.
      - 7y ago

munk-a 7y ago

In America very few of those (except health insurance) are actually mandated by the government. Sadly in the US most employment benefits are only exchanged at the grace of the employer.