4 ms·

> Like serious side effects? Like what? What can a vaccine do that's worse than a pandemic? Anti-vaxxers aren't rational people rationally concerned about re

> Like serious side effects? Like what? What can a vaccine do that's worse than a pandemic? Anti-vaxxers aren't rational people rationally concerned about real side-effects of vaccines, they are superstitious fools who think vaccines give kids autism. (There is NO scientific evidence for this idea whatsoever.) Remember the Mayan Apocalypse? Remember how everybody stopped talking about it about fifteen minutes after midnight on Jan. 1st? That's what will happen to anti-vaxxer BS if^H^H when a real plague hits.

ars 7y ago
The original rotavirus vaccine caused intussusception. Vaccines are not magical risk free things, even if they don't cause autisim. There's a reason we say "risk vs benefit". Current vaccines clearly fall under the reward part of that. A new vaccine? Who knows. That's why you have to test.
- carapace 7y ago
  Right, I get it. I agree with everything you said. You are rational and correct. However, none of that is to my point. The OP said, "The US has an active, very vocal anti-vax community." and then said "The first sign of trouble of any kind with a new COVID-19 vaccine would result in a backlash of biblical proportions. It could be so strong as to derail any attempt at a follower." That's what I am objecting to, I don't think that anti-vaxxer superstition would be increased by a bunch of scientists saying, "yeah, there's a side-effect" because that's not superstition, eh? I'm finding it hard to articulate my point, which is weird because it seems to clear to me in my mind. I don't think the masses would chuck science in the bin and huddle in fear, unvaccinated, waiting to see if they live or die from covad, just because there is some side-effect of the vaccine, unless it was somehow more horrible than, uh, huddling in fear, vaccinated but with some side-effects, waiting to see if they live or die from covad.

ars 7y ago

The original rotavirus vaccine caused intussusception. Vaccines are not magical risk free things, even if they don't cause autisim. There's a reason we say "risk vs benefit". Current vaccines clearly fall under the reward part of that. A new vaccine? Who knows. That's why you have to test.

carapace 7y ago
Right, I get it. I agree with everything you said. You are rational and correct. However, none of that is to my point. The OP said, "The US has an active, very vocal anti-vax community." and then said "The first sign of trouble of any kind with a new COVID-19 vaccine would result in a backlash of biblical proportions. It could be so strong as to derail any attempt at a follower." That's what I am objecting to, I don't think that anti-vaxxer superstition would be increased by a bunch of scientists saying, "yeah, there's a side-effect" because that's not superstition, eh? I'm finding it hard to articulate my point, which is weird because it seems to clear to me in my mind. I don't think the masses would chuck science in the bin and huddle in fear, unvaccinated, waiting to see if they live or die from covad, just because there is some side-effect of the vaccine, unless it was somehow more horrible than, uh, huddling in fear, vaccinated but with some side-effects, waiting to see if they live or die from covad.