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To be honest, Adresse de courrier électronique professionnelle would probably look awkward on any kind of interface that is optimized for Work email address, an

To be honest, Adresse de courrier électronique professionnelle would probably look awkward on any kind of interface that is optimized for Work email address, and vice versa. Is there any shorter equivalent in French? In my native language (with a non-Latin alphabet), we also have a long word for email, so in localized captions we often just use email or e-mail in English, and nobody has a problem with it.

Voyvode 7y ago
Yes, Courriel pro. Even shorter than the original. The use of e-mail you describe also exists in French.
uhoh-itsmaciek 7y ago
Awkward but at least usable. The way the Material fields break with long or scaled label text is pretty bogus. That said, you're right: excessively long labels are a usability blemish worth avoiding, as long as the semantics of the field remain clear.
Kuinox 7y ago
mèl is valid French and mean email. "addresse mèl" is used in governments websites while regular website simply write "addresse email"
- outadoc 7y ago
  It's "mél", and I hate it.
  - Kuinox 7y ago
    I can't upvote enough.
progval 7y ago
It's an example though; most of the time, French requires more letters than English to write the same thing. As my browser is configured in French, I regularly see interfaces broken because of these. Most of the time it's not a big deal (as in the article's example), but sometimes it makes the website/application harder to use, either because some text is hidden, or the text box goes over a button/text field, which then becomes impossible to use. > Is there any shorter equivalent in French? The shortest would be "email pro", but it's informal. The best you can do in formal language (and if you're ok with dropping the "address" part of the label) is "email professionnel".
_pmf_ 7y ago
I18N is the bane of my existence. It's a horribly thankless task. Apart from that, I work with a company that uses an external translation company for 30+ languages, and at least from cursory checking, most are horribly wrong, to the point where they are either completely nonsensical in the given context or just misleading enough to mean something slightly different in the context, which is even worse, since this is an industrial product that can cause severe damage). It's not my job to check or even correct the translations' content (just that they fit ot to make the changes to the layouts to make them fit), so I'm only reporting the most severe violations. Every correction is a multi-week roundtrip to the translation company, delaying releases.
- mlang23 7y ago
  I am suspecting that those translation companies actually just use Google Translate or something similar. I recently saw a commercial product for the blind, developed in an english speaking country, where the german translation of the app was so horribly wrong to the point of totally being useless to non-initiated users. Hours -> Stunden Minutes -> Protokoll This is so horribly wrong, that it is very unlikely that it was translated by ahuman.
  - mrec 7y ago
    I remember a lovely example from when I was living in Germany years ago. I got a letter about some upcoming local election, and was very impressed that it was in English for my convenience, but it opened with the marvellous greeting "Dear male voter, dear female voter".
- vetinari 7y ago
  > most are horribly wrong, to the point where they are either completely nonsensical in the given context or just misleading enough to mean something slightly different in the context, That's because translators will get just a bunch of strings, with no context. Only if they are lucky, they will do partial handbacks and will receive builds with their translation included.
  - 7y ago
mtone 7y ago
Yes, "courriel" is the common and official [1] word in Québec. Portmanteau of courrier (mail) + électronique. Their professional translator must have used Google Translate. But much worse translations are common in our corner of North America. "Work" is the tricky part. I generally use e-mail (work) rather than trying to translate verbatim as it tends to read like "E-mail at the office" or "Professional e-mail", both weird. [1] http://www.gdt.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=8353974 http://www.gdt.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=83539...
realusername 7y ago
I would use "courriel pro", much shorter already

Voyvode 7y ago

Yes, Courriel pro. Even shorter than the original. The use of e-mail you describe also exists in French.

uhoh-itsmaciek 7y ago

Awkward but at least usable. The way the Material fields break with long or scaled label text is pretty bogus. That said, you're right: excessively long labels are a usability blemish worth avoiding, as long as the semantics of the field remain clear.

Kuinox 7y ago

mèl is valid French and mean email. "addresse mèl" is used in governments websites while regular website simply write "addresse email"

outadoc 7y ago
It's "mél", and I hate it.
- Kuinox 7y ago
  I can't upvote enough.

progval 7y ago

It's an example though; most of the time, French requires more letters than English to write the same thing. As my browser is configured in French, I regularly see interfaces broken because of these. Most of the time it's not a big deal (as in the article's example), but sometimes it makes the website/application harder to use, either because some text is hidden, or the text box goes over a button/text field, which then becomes impossible to use. > Is there any shorter equivalent in French? The shortest would be "email pro", but it's informal. The best you can do in formal language (and if you're ok with dropping the "address" part of the label) is "email professionnel".

_pmf_ 7y ago

I18N is the bane of my existence. It's a horribly thankless task. Apart from that, I work with a company that uses an external translation company for 30+ languages, and at least from cursory checking, most are horribly wrong, to the point where they are either completely nonsensical in the given context or just misleading enough to mean something slightly different in the context, which is even worse, since this is an industrial product that can cause severe damage). It's not my job to check or even correct the translations' content (just that they fit ot to make the changes to the layouts to make them fit), so I'm only reporting the most severe violations. Every correction is a multi-week roundtrip to the translation company, delaying releases.

mlang23 7y ago
I am suspecting that those translation companies actually just use Google Translate or something similar. I recently saw a commercial product for the blind, developed in an english speaking country, where the german translation of the app was so horribly wrong to the point of totally being useless to non-initiated users. Hours -> Stunden Minutes -> Protokoll This is so horribly wrong, that it is very unlikely that it was translated by ahuman.
- mrec 7y ago
  I remember a lovely example from when I was living in Germany years ago. I got a letter about some upcoming local election, and was very impressed that it was in English for my convenience, but it opened with the marvellous greeting "Dear male voter, dear female voter".
vetinari 7y ago
> most are horribly wrong, to the point where they are either completely nonsensical in the given context or just misleading enough to mean something slightly different in the context, That's because translators will get just a bunch of strings, with no context. Only if they are lucky, they will do partial handbacks and will receive builds with their translation included.
- 7y ago

mtone 7y ago

Yes, "courriel" is the common and official [1] word in Québec. Portmanteau of courrier (mail) + électronique. Their professional translator must have used Google Translate. But much worse translations are common in our corner of North America. "Work" is the tricky part. I generally use e-mail (work) rather than trying to translate verbatim as it tends to read like "E-mail at the office" or "Professional e-mail", both weird. [1] http://www.gdt.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=8353974 http://www.gdt.oqlf.gouv.qc.ca/ficheOqlf.aspx?Id_Fiche=83539...

realusername 7y ago

I would use "courriel pro", much shorter already