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Measurably worse than the rest of the G8, according to your source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_

by ible 16y ago

Measurably worse than the rest of the G8, according to your source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada) at least on life expectancy, infant mortality, per capita expenditure, costs as % of GDP, and % of government revenue spent on health.

yummyfajitas 16y ago
Not true. We beat Japan on life expectancy, provided you restrict the comparison to people of Japanese descent. Japanese Americans live 84.5 years on average, Japanese only 82.6. http://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/templates/browse.aspx?lvl=2&lvlID=53 http://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/templates/browse.aspx?lvl=2&#3... http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_dyn_le00_in&idim=country:JPN&dl=en&hl=en&q=japan+life+expectancy http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_dyn_le... (Would love to see data doing similar comparisons to other G8 nations.)
- ible 16y ago
  That's funny, but I'm not sure it's true. Your first link seems to say (it's worded awkwardly) that Japanese women in the US have a 84.5 year life expectancy. This isn't quite as high as the 85.66 life expectancy Japanese women have in Japan (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ja.html https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...) That's despite people of Asian descent in the US having higher income and education than the average, both of which are positively correlated with life expectancy. Even if it is true, I'm not sure what the significance would be. I would be surprised if you couldn't pick out many subgroups in the US which do better in the US than in their places of origin, without it supporting an argument about the quality of the overall system.
  - yummyfajitas 16y ago
    Oops, I think I misread the article. I stand corrected. Even if it is true, I'm not sure what the significance would be. I would be surprised if you couldn't pick out many subgroups in the US which do better in the US than in their places of origin, without it supporting an argument about the quality of the overall system. Very true. To actually make the argument you are trying to make, you'd actually need to do a carefully controlled study. But most such studies (which include ethnicity, rural living, diet, etc as predictors) actually show no significant relationship between marginal changes in health care and health outcomes.

by ible 16y ago

yummyfajitas 16y ago

Not true. We beat Japan on life expectancy, provided you restrict the comparison to people of Japanese descent. Japanese Americans live 84.5 years on average, Japanese only 82.6. http://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/templates/browse.aspx?lvl=2&lvlID=53 http://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/templates/browse.aspx?lvl=2&#3... http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_dyn_le00_in&idim=country:JPN&dl=en&hl=en&q=japan+life+expectancy http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_dyn_le... (Would love to see data doing similar comparisons to other G8 nations.)

ible 16y ago
That's funny, but I'm not sure it's true. Your first link seems to say (it's worded awkwardly) that Japanese women in the US have a 84.5 year life expectancy. This isn't quite as high as the 85.66 life expectancy Japanese women have in Japan (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ja.html https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...) That's despite people of Asian descent in the US having higher income and education than the average, both of which are positively correlated with life expectancy. Even if it is true, I'm not sure what the significance would be. I would be surprised if you couldn't pick out many subgroups in the US which do better in the US than in their places of origin, without it supporting an argument about the quality of the overall system.
- yummyfajitas 16y ago
  Oops, I think I misread the article. I stand corrected. Even if it is true, I'm not sure what the significance would be. I would be surprised if you couldn't pick out many subgroups in the US which do better in the US than in their places of origin, without it supporting an argument about the quality of the overall system. Very true. To actually make the argument you are trying to make, you'd actually need to do a carefully controlled study. But most such studies (which include ethnicity, rural living, diet, etc as predictors) actually show no significant relationship between marginal changes in health care and health outcomes.