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Sorry, but you seemed to have missed answering the OPs question... Why they should switch to Wayland? If there were any benefits to using Wayland, like performa

Sorry, but you seemed to have missed answering the OPs question... Why they should switch to Wayland? If there were any benefits to using Wayland, like performance improvements, etc. Personally, the one real gain I've read about previously is no tearing when watching videos or scrolling fast and security improvements. Also now these Firefox performance improvements. But that's about it. Are there any other benefits that a normal user would see?

AgentME 7y ago
>Personally, the one real gain I've read about previously is no tearing when watching videos or scrolling fast and security improvements. Finally, my Ubuntu box has screen tearing all the time. I'm on good hardware with pretty standard 1080p monitors so I've been absolutely baffled that screen tearing is so frequent in standard desktop use. I think Wayland is supposed to have better support for various DPI settings and mixed DPI settings.
- eikenberry 7y ago
  Having a compositor for X11 will help with the tearing some, but not completely. This will be a nice step up once Wayland is ready in other ways (mainly more window managers and a few other tools that don't quite have equivalents to their X counterparts yet).
swebs 7y ago
Any program using X can see the keystrokes entered into any other program using X. This has been bothering people for many years, especially those who have to use untrusted proprietary applications for work reasons. Wayland doesn't have this issue.
- michaelmrose 7y ago
  If you have an app that is literally attacking you then you are probably compromised. Even with wayland technology to contain hostile apps is grossly insufficient for the use case. I would be surprised if this weren't as true in 2030 as it is in 2020. The OS with the best isolation primitives is probably Solaris. It would be hilarious if 2020 Solaris was still better than 2020 Linux.
  - dralley 7y ago
    Defense in depth.
  - swebs 7y ago
    >If you have an app that is literally attacking you then you are probably compromised Sure, if your adversary is some literal hacker. But you also have to worry about legit companies that use aggressive "analytics". VSCode most likely logs keystrokes. It would suck if it also logs keystrokes that you type into other applications.
    - ficklepickle 7y ago
      VSCodium is great. It has all the MS junk removed. https://vscodium.com/ https://vscodium.com/ Your point still stands, though.
jasondclinton 7y ago
Here are the real, user-visible benefits that I am aware of, at the moment: * Fractional scaling of monitor outputs * Multi-touch gestures for e.g. switching desktops * Security sand-boxing of apps * Tear-free video As the original link shows, though, the architecture has much better abstractions for software engineers to work with so developer quality-of-life is improved, too.
- jasondclinton 7y ago
  I forgot the most important one: per-output scaling (integer or fractional). This allows you to have your HiDPI laptop display and an external 1080p monitor set to different scale factors.
phkahler 7y ago
>> Sorry, but you seemed to have missed answering the OPs question... Why they should switch to Wayland? Because X is deprecated. The question isn't Why switch to Wayland, but When. You have mentioned some benefits too.

AgentME 7y ago

>Personally, the one real gain I've read about previously is no tearing when watching videos or scrolling fast and security improvements. Finally, my Ubuntu box has screen tearing all the time. I'm on good hardware with pretty standard 1080p monitors so I've been absolutely baffled that screen tearing is so frequent in standard desktop use. I think Wayland is supposed to have better support for various DPI settings and mixed DPI settings.

eikenberry 7y ago
Having a compositor for X11 will help with the tearing some, but not completely. This will be a nice step up once Wayland is ready in other ways (mainly more window managers and a few other tools that don't quite have equivalents to their X counterparts yet).

swebs 7y ago

Any program using X can see the keystrokes entered into any other program using X. This has been bothering people for many years, especially those who have to use untrusted proprietary applications for work reasons. Wayland doesn't have this issue.

michaelmrose 7y ago
If you have an app that is literally attacking you then you are probably compromised. Even with wayland technology to contain hostile apps is grossly insufficient for the use case. I would be surprised if this weren't as true in 2030 as it is in 2020. The OS with the best isolation primitives is probably Solaris. It would be hilarious if 2020 Solaris was still better than 2020 Linux.
- dralley 7y ago
  Defense in depth.
- swebs 7y ago
  >If you have an app that is literally attacking you then you are probably compromised Sure, if your adversary is some literal hacker. But you also have to worry about legit companies that use aggressive "analytics". VSCode most likely logs keystrokes. It would suck if it also logs keystrokes that you type into other applications.
  - ficklepickle 7y ago
    VSCodium is great. It has all the MS junk removed. https://vscodium.com/ https://vscodium.com/ Your point still stands, though.

jasondclinton 7y ago

Here are the real, user-visible benefits that I am aware of, at the moment: * Fractional scaling of monitor outputs * Multi-touch gestures for e.g. switching desktops * Security sand-boxing of apps * Tear-free video As the original link shows, though, the architecture has much better abstractions for software engineers to work with so developer quality-of-life is improved, too.

jasondclinton 7y ago
I forgot the most important one: per-output scaling (integer or fractional). This allows you to have your HiDPI laptop display and an external 1080p monitor set to different scale factors.

phkahler 7y ago

>> Sorry, but you seemed to have missed answering the OPs question... Why they should switch to Wayland? Because X is deprecated. The question isn't Why switch to Wayland, but When. You have mentioned some benefits too.