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I'm inclined to agree. Incentives matter! It's still deeply disappointing (to me) that the organizers have so few internal incentives to put lives ahead of pro

I'm inclined to agree. Incentives matter! It's still deeply disappointing (to me) that the organizers have so few internal incentives to put lives ahead of profits. The entire value of an ethical framework is in the times when following is not what's most personally beneficial in the short term.

SilasX 7y ago
True, but at this scale, I expect to not to have to depend on the benevolence of conference organizers -- there needs to be a framework so that they don't have to make that choice. To quote Deus Ex: Human Revolution: "I managed to hang on to my humanity -- but the temptation to ignore it was always there. It's that temptation that so worries Taggart. He's not afraid of freedom. He's afraid of the chaos that erupts when individuals have nothing but morality to constrain them."
- AlchemistCamp 7y ago
  > True, but at this scale, I expect to not Why is that a "but" rather than an "and"? I'm disappointed in the organizers and would like to see better incentives.
  - SilasX 7y ago
    Because you were phrasing it as a problem that ethical frameworks rather than laws solve.
    - AlchemistCamp 7y ago
      That isn't true. At no point did I say or even imply laws weren't required. In fact, I immediately agreed with you! Laws and ethical frameworks are synergistic in well-functioning systems.
      - SilasX 7y ago
        I know that's what you may have felt in your head, I'm just talking about what your comment suggested, even if wasn't directly advocated. You mention ethical codes as filling in a gap here (where there the financial incentives work against you), and my point that it's not really effective for this scale (e.g. the level of coordination for the evil to be avoided). If you didn't mean or realize that implication, fine, I'm just speaking to how it comes off.

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I'm inclined to agree. Incentives matter! It's still deeply disappointing (to me) that the organizers have so few internal incentives to put lives ahead of pro

by AlchemistCamp 7y ago

SilasX 7y ago
True, but at this scale, I expect to not to have to depend on the benevolence of conference organizers -- there needs to be a framework so that they don't have to make that choice. To quote Deus Ex: Human Revolution: "I managed to hang on to my humanity -- but the temptation to ignore it was always there. It's that temptation that so worries Taggart. He's not afraid of freedom. He's afraid of the chaos that erupts when individuals have nothing but morality to constrain them."
- AlchemistCamp 7y ago
  > True, but at this scale, I expect to not Why is that a "but" rather than an "and"? I'm disappointed in the organizers and would like to see better incentives.
  - SilasX 7y ago
    Because you were phrasing it as a problem that ethical frameworks rather than laws solve.
    - AlchemistCamp 7y ago
      That isn't true. At no point did I say or even imply laws weren't required. In fact, I immediately agreed with you! Laws and ethical frameworks are synergistic in well-functioning systems.
      - SilasX 7y ago
        I know that's what you may have felt in your head, I'm just talking about what your comment suggested, even if wasn't directly advocated. You mention ethical codes as filling in a gap here (where there the financial incentives work against you), and my point that it's not really effective for this scale (e.g. the level of coordination for the evil to be avoided). If you didn't mean or realize that implication, fine, I'm just speaking to how it comes off.