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And, at the very least, it means that Hugo can't get a passport using his new name: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/

by thom 7y ago

And, at the very least, it means that Hugo can't get a passport using his new name: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/548220/Annex_A_passports_August_2016.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

Angostura 7y ago
It should also be pointed out that the Deed Poll pictured isn't an official document in any meaningful sense. In the UK, you pretty much change your name by starting to use a new name and telling all the official bodies that you have done so - and asking for new paperwork in that name (including passports etc). These Deed Poll forms are produced by any number of paralegal-esque companies and are useful to include when writing to your bank/utility conpany, but that's about it.
- codeulike 7y ago
  To be precise: You will need a Deed Poll, which is a piece of paper with certain words on it, and it needs to be signed and witnessed, but you can make one yourself and you dont need an official body or lawyer to do it.
  - Angostura 7y ago
    Correct - and here are the certain words. https://www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll/make-an-adult-deed-poll https://www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll/make-an-adult-deed-... “I [old name] of [your address] have given up my name [old name] and have adopted for all purposes the name [new name]. “Signed as a deed on [date] as [old name] and [new name] in the presence of [witness 1 name] of [witness 1 address], and [witness 2 name] of [witness 2 address]. “[your new signature], [your old signature] “[witness 1 signature], [witness 2 signature]”
- arethuza 7y ago
  There does appear to be a central process for doing it in Scotland: https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/registration/recording-change-of-forename-and-surname-in-scotland https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/registration/recording-change-... Edit: Being married to Scots law lawyer I feel obliged to point these things out any time I see a mention of a "UK" legal system... ;-)
  - Angostura 7y ago
    As an English person, I would like to both apologise and thank you for pointing out the difference and challenging my default assumption.
OJFord 7y ago
Good point, though it does make me wonder what happens if your name (say, from birth, or even if not) predates the trademark. Does trademark registration similarly check against registered births? And deaths (to allow them again, if no new births)?
bloak 7y ago
That's a strange rule! It's the definite article in "the owner of that trademark" that confuses me. The same word could be a registered trademark in each of about 45 classes, with a different owner for each mark. Perhaps the next logical step for this comedian is to find a class in which Hugo Boss is not registered and register his own trademark in that class. Then he can give himself permission to use his own name. Or something. I actually have no idea how the rule in the the linked document would be applied in practice. Perhaps in practice they don't care about trademarks if the name is an ordinary name, like "John Smith", for example. Which is almost certainly also a trademark ... I've just checked (https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmtext https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmtext): JOHN SMITH matches a bunch of different trademarks, and if you include JOHN SMITH'S then there are even more of them.

by thom 7y ago

Angostura 7y ago

It should also be pointed out that the Deed Poll pictured isn't an official document in any meaningful sense. In the UK, you pretty much change your name by starting to use a new name and telling all the official bodies that you have done so - and asking for new paperwork in that name (including passports etc). These Deed Poll forms are produced by any number of paralegal-esque companies and are useful to include when writing to your bank/utility conpany, but that's about it.

codeulike 7y ago
To be precise: You will need a Deed Poll, which is a piece of paper with certain words on it, and it needs to be signed and witnessed, but you can make one yourself and you dont need an official body or lawyer to do it.
- Angostura 7y ago
  Correct - and here are the certain words. https://www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll/make-an-adult-deed-poll https://www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll/make-an-adult-deed-... “I [old name] of [your address] have given up my name [old name] and have adopted for all purposes the name [new name]. “Signed as a deed on [date] as [old name] and [new name] in the presence of [witness 1 name] of [witness 1 address], and [witness 2 name] of [witness 2 address]. “[your new signature], [your old signature] “[witness 1 signature], [witness 2 signature]”
arethuza 7y ago
There does appear to be a central process for doing it in Scotland: https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/registration/recording-change-of-forename-and-surname-in-scotland https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/registration/recording-change-... Edit: Being married to Scots law lawyer I feel obliged to point these things out any time I see a mention of a "UK" legal system... ;-)
- Angostura 7y ago
  As an English person, I would like to both apologise and thank you for pointing out the difference and challenging my default assumption.

OJFord 7y ago

Good point, though it does make me wonder what happens if your name (say, from birth, or even if not) predates the trademark. Does trademark registration similarly check against registered births? And deaths (to allow them again, if no new births)?

bloak 7y ago

That's a strange rule! It's the definite article in "the owner of that trademark" that confuses me. The same word could be a registered trademark in each of about 45 classes, with a different owner for each mark. Perhaps the next logical step for this comedian is to find a class in which Hugo Boss is not registered and register his own trademark in that class. Then he can give himself permission to use his own name. Or something. I actually have no idea how the rule in the the linked document would be applied in practice. Perhaps in practice they don't care about trademarks if the name is an ordinary name, like "John Smith", for example. Which is almost certainly also a trademark ... I've just checked (https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmtext https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmtext): JOHN SMITH matches a bunch of different trademarks, and if you include JOHN SMITH'S then there are even more of them.