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> What other place can you get a more dramatic scene when you finally tell your parents: “Mom, Dad: I’ve decided to quit school & work, and move to hollywood to

by rflrob 16y ago

> What other place can you get a more dramatic scene when you finally tell your parents: “Mom, Dad: I’ve decided to quit school & work, and move to hollywood to pursue my lifelong dream of becoming an actor”. Change Hollywood with “Chicago, New York, London, Tokyo, Paris” and it just doesn’t have the same effect. I would argue that New York does have nearly the same cachet for actors as Hollywood. Just because you're going to become an actor doesn't mean you're going to do film or TV. Chicago's Second City has also helped develop the careers of lots of famous comedians. (I know London has a thriving theater scene as well, but can any Brits comment on whether going to London to become an actor is a "thing" in the UK?) What this metaphor might mean for startups is that there may be room for another startup hub or two, although with a different focus from Silicon Valley (perhaps non-web?), but probably not more than one or two.

barry-cotter 16y ago
but can any Brits comment on whether going to London to become an actor is a "thing" in the UK? I'm Irish, not a Brit, but if you want to do more or less anything seriously, at a top level, you head to London. This sucking vortex of a Queen City was attracting about 10% of every generation to it in the 1850s. Every other city in the British Isles is an also ran, whether you are looking at culture, politics, finance... the list goes on.
- zeemonkee 16y ago
  I agree, it's one of those things that really hurts the UK as a whole - and it's much worse than the 1850s, when you had much stronger regional economies (think Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow....) It hurts the South-East because it puts the infrastructure under enormous strain and property prices beyond the reach of mere mortals, while draining the rest of the UK of its talented young. This is one thing I think the Germans do right - a much more culturally, economically and politically balanced nation (even taking the East-West divide into account).
  - barry-cotter 16y ago
    I agree, it's one of those things that really hurts the UK as a whole I dunno, the agglomeration/network effects could easily enough make up for that, and people can leave London once it's obvious they're not going to make it, having built up their human capital faster than they could have anywhere else, and being able to command London salaries on provincial living costs. It hurts the South-East because it puts the infrastructure under enormous strain and property prices beyond the reach of mere mortals, while draining the rest of the UK of its talented young. If they wanted to make housing affordable, whether rented or to own they could get rid of the green belt, or encourage much denser housing. The infrastructure problems could be solved by application of sufficient money and compulsory purchase, though one would need to massively streamline the current procedures on that, and on planning. If China can build subways with stations that open in fields, so could London. As to the talented young, they speak English, if they weren't going to London it's very likely they'd be going to the States. This is one thing I think the Germans do right - a much more culturally, economically and politically balanced nation Never a matter of policy. Germany was the belated nation and it's multiple centres are a consequence of late unification and being split in half and made more federal in power structure by the conquerors. (I exaggerate the German lack of agency in the choice of West German state structure)
    - zeemonkee 16y ago
      > If they wanted to make housing affordable, whether rented or to own they could get rid of the green belt, or encourage much denser housing. The infrastructure problems could be solved by application of sufficient money and compulsory purchase, though one would need to massively streamline the current procedures on that, and on planning. If China can build subways with stations that open in fields, so could London. So to add to infrastructure strain, we'd have huge environmental damage. > As to the talented young, they speak English, if they weren't going to London it's very likely they'd be going to the States. Maybe. There are significant immigration barriers to that. The very talented, sure, but not your average educated IT guy (for example). > Never a matter of policy. Germany was the belated nation and it's multiple centres are a consequence of late unification and being split in half and made more federal in power structure by the conquerors. (I exaggerate the German lack of agency in the choice of West German state structure) Never said it was a matter of policy, more, as you say, historical happenstance.

by rflrob 16y ago

barry-cotter 16y ago

but can any Brits comment on whether going to London to become an actor is a "thing" in the UK? I'm Irish, not a Brit, but if you want to do more or less anything seriously, at a top level, you head to London. This sucking vortex of a Queen City was attracting about 10% of every generation to it in the 1850s. Every other city in the British Isles is an also ran, whether you are looking at culture, politics, finance... the list goes on.

zeemonkee 16y ago
I agree, it's one of those things that really hurts the UK as a whole - and it's much worse than the 1850s, when you had much stronger regional economies (think Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow....) It hurts the South-East because it puts the infrastructure under enormous strain and property prices beyond the reach of mere mortals, while draining the rest of the UK of its talented young. This is one thing I think the Germans do right - a much more culturally, economically and politically balanced nation (even taking the East-West divide into account).
- barry-cotter 16y ago
  I agree, it's one of those things that really hurts the UK as a whole I dunno, the agglomeration/network effects could easily enough make up for that, and people can leave London once it's obvious they're not going to make it, having built up their human capital faster than they could have anywhere else, and being able to command London salaries on provincial living costs. It hurts the South-East because it puts the infrastructure under enormous strain and property prices beyond the reach of mere mortals, while draining the rest of the UK of its talented young. If they wanted to make housing affordable, whether rented or to own they could get rid of the green belt, or encourage much denser housing. The infrastructure problems could be solved by application of sufficient money and compulsory purchase, though one would need to massively streamline the current procedures on that, and on planning. If China can build subways with stations that open in fields, so could London. As to the talented young, they speak English, if they weren't going to London it's very likely they'd be going to the States. This is one thing I think the Germans do right - a much more culturally, economically and politically balanced nation Never a matter of policy. Germany was the belated nation and it's multiple centres are a consequence of late unification and being split in half and made more federal in power structure by the conquerors. (I exaggerate the German lack of agency in the choice of West German state structure)
  - zeemonkee 16y ago
    > If they wanted to make housing affordable, whether rented or to own they could get rid of the green belt, or encourage much denser housing. The infrastructure problems could be solved by application of sufficient money and compulsory purchase, though one would need to massively streamline the current procedures on that, and on planning. If China can build subways with stations that open in fields, so could London. So to add to infrastructure strain, we'd have huge environmental damage. > As to the talented young, they speak English, if they weren't going to London it's very likely they'd be going to the States. Maybe. There are significant immigration barriers to that. The very talented, sure, but not your average educated IT guy (for example). > Never a matter of policy. Germany was the belated nation and it's multiple centres are a consequence of late unification and being split in half and made more federal in power structure by the conquerors. (I exaggerate the German lack of agency in the choice of West German state structure) Never said it was a matter of policy, more, as you say, historical happenstance.