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> It's a chat app that works very well even on the crappiest connections Does it? I routinely use Telegram, Line and Messenger. Messenger is without contest th

> It's a chat app that works very well even on the crappiest connections Does it? I routinely use Telegram, Line and Messenger. Messenger is without contest the one that gives the most trouble. I've been using chat apps at least since ICQ (1996) and sometimes I feel the user experience has declined. That being said, I'm sure that a lot of progress have been made and that there's a lot going on behind Messenger in terms of security and scalability. I'd be curious to know what's hidden between the millions LOC.

derefr 7y ago
> I've been using chat apps at least since ICQ (1996) and sometimes I feel the user experience has declined. You never used ICQ over a spotty 3G connection, though, did you?
- ComputerGuru 7y ago
  I have, with an OpenVPN-over-UDP tunnel as a workaround. If they included Wireguard (or better yet, just used encrypted UDP) it would still be smaller (and probably more reliable).
  - notyourday 7y ago
    Introduce random dropouts, crazy jitter and random IP switches and you get the emulation of what a crappy network looks like.
    - lvh 7y ago
      I don't know if this is what you were referring to, but for everyone else: this is actually super easy to add with Wireguard because Wireguard just uses Linux networking you can do things like: $ tc qdisc change dev eth0 root netem loss 0.3% 25% (Lose 0.3% packets on average, but each packet is 25% correlated with the last packet loss, to produce bursts.) $ tc qdisc change dev eth0 root netem delay 100ms 20ms distribution normal (Add mu=100ms, sigma=20ms normally distributed latency.)
- danudey 7y ago
  Not a lot of 3G coverage back in 1996, honestly.
notyourday 7y ago
In my experience in places where connectivity sucks (barely able to get data handoffs between stations, sticky wifi, etc) messenger kicks ass while the other applications hick-up big time.

derefr 7y ago

> I've been using chat apps at least since ICQ (1996) and sometimes I feel the user experience has declined. You never used ICQ over a spotty 3G connection, though, did you?

ComputerGuru 7y ago
I have, with an OpenVPN-over-UDP tunnel as a workaround. If they included Wireguard (or better yet, just used encrypted UDP) it would still be smaller (and probably more reliable).
- notyourday 7y ago
  Introduce random dropouts, crazy jitter and random IP switches and you get the emulation of what a crappy network looks like.
  - lvh 7y ago
    I don't know if this is what you were referring to, but for everyone else: this is actually super easy to add with Wireguard because Wireguard just uses Linux networking you can do things like: $ tc qdisc change dev eth0 root netem loss 0.3% 25% (Lose 0.3% packets on average, but each packet is 25% correlated with the last packet loss, to produce bursts.) $ tc qdisc change dev eth0 root netem delay 100ms 20ms distribution normal (Add mu=100ms, sigma=20ms normally distributed latency.)
danudey 7y ago
Not a lot of 3G coverage back in 1996, honestly.

notyourday 7y ago

In my experience in places where connectivity sucks (barely able to get data handoffs between stations, sticky wifi, etc) messenger kicks ass while the other applications hick-up big time.