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In all cases it is a Math issue. Either there exists some effective computation that would produce behavior similar to the behavior of conscious being, and cou
by chr1 7y ago
In all cases it is a Math issue.
Either there exists some effective computation that would produce behavior similar to the behavior of conscious being, and could be performed in VR world too, or computation would require exponential resources, or (in the most unlikely case) such computation would not exist, and it would be possible to show why it cannot exist.
Neuroscience and Physics can help to find the rules for that computation. And Philosophy can have fun talking about what lies beyond unknown.
- whatshisface 7y agoBehavior similar to a conscious being =/= conscious being.
- tialaramex 7y agoThis is the P Zombie (Philosophical Zombie) problem. You're going to have to do much better than just state as a fact that you're right to convince everybody else. After decades of debate about this topic from top philosophers I think it's very unlikely that anything novel, much less decisive will come from a Hacker News sub-thread.
- whatshisface 7y agoI didn't invent P-Zombies, I'm just using them as evidence that the issue of consciousness is metaphysical.
- chr1 7y agoYou can tie a metaphysical issue to everything by asking if it "really" exists, or is it something else that is absolutely not distinguishable from the "real" thing. If by hard problem of consciousness you mean that kind of question, then it is definitely up to philosophy because no one else is even asking it. Everyone answers the question about P-Zombies every day, by deciding the people they meet are conscious, based only on their behaviour. The more interesting question is whether it is possible to get human like behaviour from a program running on classical computer.