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They might face regulation e.g. in the EU (but also the US) based on antitrust or competition laws, as they would effectively be dominating the browser market.

They might face regulation e.g. in the EU (but also the US) based on antitrust or competition laws, as they would effectively be dominating the browser market. That would limit their freedom to operate, so I can believe that it's in their best interest to "allow" competitors like Firefox to capture a small market share. Effectively they could kill them easily as a large percentage of Mozilla's revenue (I think more than 50 %) comes from the Google search deal, and I don't think that deal is really vital to Google. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation

Arnt 7y ago
But if Firefox only competes with Chrome, and the regulators are angry because of Chrome, why would Google not simply shut Chrome down? I mean that I don't see any reson why Chrome needs to compete against Firefox. I can see arguments why Google needs to compete against Facebook: Those two compete for advertising customers. Funding one, two, a few browsers makes sense if the goal is to keep eyeballs on the web rather than letting Facebook tempt them into a walled garden. But why would Google care which of the browsers has most success? And if Google doesn't, why would regulators care?
- ThePhysicist 7y ago
  Chrome is a strategic tool for Google that they use to funnel users to their services, collect data and influence web standards in their favor (among other things).
- adgasf 7y ago
  Google keeps Chrome around because the alternative is just too risky for their core business. If (for example) everyone used IE then Microsoft would be able to shut out Google's ads.
  - Arnt 7y ago
    That's what I thought too (ie. that Google is critically dependent on web browsers that don't discriminate against Google somehow, and is paying for two such browsers). But so many people say that Chrome and Firefox are competitors that I'm curious to hear arguments for that.
    - cm2187 7y ago
      Owning a browser is a business as every search engine wants to be the default. I think google is forking several billions a year to be the default on Safari and is probably Firefox’ primary source of revenues. I don’t know if Microsoft has any other motivation for Edge other than being the front end for Bing.
  - zhte415 7y ago
    It's not just ads. It's also Microsoft's ecosystem around Windows and Office. From Outlook, Sharepoint, to XBox, to 3rd party automation tools like BluePrism, UIPath, AutomationAnywhere that are tools built around IE and are getting a lot of traction in corporations at the moment. And probably a lot more tools I don't know about.
- cm2187 7y ago
  You are asking why controlling the default search engine and the client infrastructure for tracking users is valuable to Google?
  - Arnt 7y ago
    No, not at all. I am asking why people (appear to) think that Google's own browser is competing against the other browser that Google also funds.
    - GoblinSlayer 7y ago
      Otherwise it would lose market share and money.
      - Arnt 7y ago
        Why? I may be stupid here. Please excuse if so. But I don't see why Google would lose market share in a market that provides income if Firefox' market share were higher and Chrome's lower.
- modo_mario 7y ago
  >Why would Google not simply shut Chrome down? Because they'd get less tracking info and have a harder time tracking people across the web? That seems the biggest point here.

Arnt 7y ago

But if Firefox only competes with Chrome, and the regulators are angry because of Chrome, why would Google not simply shut Chrome down? I mean that I don't see any reson why Chrome needs to compete against Firefox. I can see arguments why Google needs to compete against Facebook: Those two compete for advertising customers. Funding one, two, a few browsers makes sense if the goal is to keep eyeballs on the web rather than letting Facebook tempt them into a walled garden. But why would Google care which of the browsers has most success? And if Google doesn't, why would regulators care?

ThePhysicist 7y ago
Chrome is a strategic tool for Google that they use to funnel users to their services, collect data and influence web standards in their favor (among other things).
adgasf 7y ago
Google keeps Chrome around because the alternative is just too risky for their core business. If (for example) everyone used IE then Microsoft would be able to shut out Google's ads.
- Arnt 7y ago
  That's what I thought too (ie. that Google is critically dependent on web browsers that don't discriminate against Google somehow, and is paying for two such browsers). But so many people say that Chrome and Firefox are competitors that I'm curious to hear arguments for that.
  - cm2187 7y ago
    Owning a browser is a business as every search engine wants to be the default. I think google is forking several billions a year to be the default on Safari and is probably Firefox’ primary source of revenues. I don’t know if Microsoft has any other motivation for Edge other than being the front end for Bing.
- zhte415 7y ago
  It's not just ads. It's also Microsoft's ecosystem around Windows and Office. From Outlook, Sharepoint, to XBox, to 3rd party automation tools like BluePrism, UIPath, AutomationAnywhere that are tools built around IE and are getting a lot of traction in corporations at the moment. And probably a lot more tools I don't know about.
cm2187 7y ago
You are asking why controlling the default search engine and the client infrastructure for tracking users is valuable to Google?
- Arnt 7y ago
  No, not at all. I am asking why people (appear to) think that Google's own browser is competing against the other browser that Google also funds.
  - GoblinSlayer 7y ago
    Otherwise it would lose market share and money.
    - Arnt 7y ago
      Why? I may be stupid here. Please excuse if so. But I don't see why Google would lose market share in a market that provides income if Firefox' market share were higher and Chrome's lower.
modo_mario 7y ago
>Why would Google not simply shut Chrome down? Because they'd get less tracking info and have a harder time tracking people across the web? That seems the biggest point here.