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If Apple allowed changing default apps on iOS I'd use Firefox everywhere.

by dkdbejwi383 7y ago

BiteCode_dev 7y ago
Firefox can't really exist on iOS, only a shell on top of apple's browser engine.
- Yoric 7y ago
  For what it's worth, there used to be a "full" Firefox for iOS, about 10 years ago. Apple blocked its release, though.
- savolai 7y ago
  The rendering engine is largely irrelevant to me as a user on mobile. (Though of course having the actual one would be better.) Firefox sync is the meat of the deal.
  - BiteCode_dev 7y ago
    Sure if you don't want modern browser features like web worker, addons, and updates.
  - endemic 7y ago
    Agreed, sync is a great feature, but last I checked iOS content blockers only work with Safari, not any other apps that use WKWebView. So stupidly, I have both Focus and Firefox on my iOS phone, but only Safari can use the Focus content blocker. It’s pretty terrible.
    - jagger27 7y ago
      I find it super odd that Firefox Focus doesn't let you sign into Firefox Sync. I would just use that browser for everything.
    - ymolodtsov 7y ago
      Have to used a local VPN from AdGuard to circumvent it and sometimes it glitches.
      - zoonosis 7y ago
        AdGaurd looks like a Safari content blocker and not a VPN to me. https://adguard.com/en/adguard-ios/overview.html https://adguard.com/en/adguard-ios/overview.html
        commoner 7y ago
        AdGuard Pro, the paid version, uses the VPN interface to block ads. https://adguard.com/en/adguard-ios-pro/overview.html https://adguard.com/en/adguard-ios-pro/overview.html
  - zeveb 7y ago
    > Firefox sync is the meat of the deal. Firefox sync really is neat, but be aware that for the last several years it has had a security flaw, one which the Firefox team has no interest in fixing (in fact, they consider it a feature!): your passwords and other private data are encrypted with your Firefox Account password. That would be fine so long as a) your Firefox Account password is truly secure and b) Mozilla can never see it. Unfortunately, they can: they serve an HTML page to log in to your Firefox account, which loads JavaScript from their servers. At any point they can start serving JavaScript which sends all passwords to their servers. What is so very, truly disappointing is that they used to have a great, easy-to-use Sync security system which was immune to this sort of attack, but they removed it. Anyway, I cannot advise using Firefox Sync for private information anymore.
    - tialaramex 7y ago
      What is your threat model in which somehow Mozilla's ability to serve you JavaScript is a problem because they might use it to attack you, but Mozilla having written the entire program you're running isn't a problem?
      - zeveb 7y ago
        They can almost-indetectably target an individual user or group of users at any point in time in the former case while the latter case would leave traces in e.g. git histories. I trust Mozilla to write Firefox and I trust Debian to package it. I do not trust Mozilla to be trustworthy on a live and ongoing basis.
- cerberusss 7y ago
  Personally, that's enough for me. I've been using Firefox on iOS for at least a year or so, together with Lockwise (their password manager).
  - BiteCode_dev 7y ago
    Firefox without addons is like pizza without tomato sauce. Sure you can do it, but...
    - furgooswft13 7y ago
      You don't enjoy the occasional white pizza? I'd say it's more like pizza without cheese...but you can do that too. Tomato Pie's are pretty good every now and then. How about pizza without toppings? Some restaurants even call toppings add-ons.
    - pixelrevision 7y ago
      I think of it more like supporting a local pizzeria. Firefox gets me 100% there on my desktop and using it on iOS sends Apple some sort of number that I prefer using it over the stock browser.
    - ymolodtsov 7y ago
      I still remember Firefox around its version 1.5, where you literally couldn't use it without extensions, even some basic things like Tab Recovery was only available through them.
  - leshenka 7y ago
    Does Lockwise support easy import/export of passwords from/to other password managers? I'd like to use it, but I really don't want to put all eggs in one basket. Can I associate one login/password pair with multiple domains?
    - cerberusss 7y ago
      I don't think it supports import or export. One login can indeed be saved and used over multiple subdomains.
- miguelmota 7y ago
  A thing that annoys me is that any browser in iOS except Safari doesn’t support getUserMedia to allow camera access to do things like scan qrcodes from the site. I'm wondering if it's an artificial limitation Apple imposed to encourage people to use Safari.
76543210 7y ago
Vote with your wallet? Anti consumer companies shouldn't get your money.
- Nextgrid 7y ago
  What's the alternative? Buy an Android device so that not only is Google stalking you but you also pay for it? I agree that what Apple is doing here is wrong, but the alternative is worse on other fronts like privacy which is much more problematic (to me at least) than App Store restrictions.
  - allenskd 7y ago
    Sadly.... this was my conclusion as well. I'd rather have an iPhone(which I do, an iPhone X) than actually get a Android device. This is the case of going with the lesser evil.... and there's no way in my mind that Apple would be the greater evil than Google when it comes to tracking users and learning all their habits while using Android. Apple is not perfect and I hate it for being so anti-consumer when it comes to repairing... and I'd love they would fully commit to a privacy-minded iOS if they have the guts to do it.
    - Nextgrid 7y ago
      The real solution is regulation for privacy, so that stalking and tracking becomes illegal no matter who does it. Then, Android would become a viable choice for many. Anti-trust regulations on Apple would also be very welcome, but irrelevant to the privacy problem.
  - Krasnol 7y ago
    Buy an Android device, block the spy traffic or install a different OS on it. You know...stuff you can do with a device that actually belongs to you.
  - jshevek 7y ago
    It is very easy to install a ROM and have full control over your relationship with Google.
pixelrevision 7y ago
I use Firefox on iOS. Most third party apps give you the option to switch so things like my rss reader, email client and calendar all open in it. The problem is they don’t really have enough granular control over things so they are missing key features like containers and debugging tools.
tomschlick 7y ago
Apparently it's being seriously considered: https://9to5mac.com/2020/02/20/bloomberg-apple-discussing-allowing-iphone-users-to-set-third-party-web-browsers-and-email-apps-as-defaults-native-spotify-on-homepod/ https://9to5mac.com/2020/02/20/bloomberg-apple-discussing-al...

If Apple allowed changing default apps on iOS I'd use Firefox everywhere.

BiteCode_dev 7y ago

Firefox can't really exist on iOS, only a shell on top of apple's browser engine.

Yoric 7y ago
For what it's worth, there used to be a "full" Firefox for iOS, about 10 years ago. Apple blocked its release, though.
savolai 7y ago
The rendering engine is largely irrelevant to me as a user on mobile. (Though of course having the actual one would be better.) Firefox sync is the meat of the deal.
- BiteCode_dev 7y ago
  Sure if you don't want modern browser features like web worker, addons, and updates.
- endemic 7y ago
  Agreed, sync is a great feature, but last I checked iOS content blockers only work with Safari, not any other apps that use WKWebView. So stupidly, I have both Focus and Firefox on my iOS phone, but only Safari can use the Focus content blocker. It’s pretty terrible.
  - jagger27 7y ago
    I find it super odd that Firefox Focus doesn't let you sign into Firefox Sync. I would just use that browser for everything.
  - ymolodtsov 7y ago
    Have to used a local VPN from AdGuard to circumvent it and sometimes it glitches.
    - zoonosis 7y ago
      AdGaurd looks like a Safari content blocker and not a VPN to me. https://adguard.com/en/adguard-ios/overview.html https://adguard.com/en/adguard-ios/overview.html
      - commoner 7y ago
        AdGuard Pro, the paid version, uses the VPN interface to block ads. https://adguard.com/en/adguard-ios-pro/overview.html https://adguard.com/en/adguard-ios-pro/overview.html
- zeveb 7y ago
  > Firefox sync is the meat of the deal. Firefox sync really is neat, but be aware that for the last several years it has had a security flaw, one which the Firefox team has no interest in fixing (in fact, they consider it a feature!): your passwords and other private data are encrypted with your Firefox Account password. That would be fine so long as a) your Firefox Account password is truly secure and b) Mozilla can never see it. Unfortunately, they can: they serve an HTML page to log in to your Firefox account, which loads JavaScript from their servers. At any point they can start serving JavaScript which sends all passwords to their servers. What is so very, truly disappointing is that they used to have a great, easy-to-use Sync security system which was immune to this sort of attack, but they removed it. Anyway, I cannot advise using Firefox Sync for private information anymore.
  - tialaramex 7y ago
    What is your threat model in which somehow Mozilla's ability to serve you JavaScript is a problem because they might use it to attack you, but Mozilla having written the entire program you're running isn't a problem?
    - zeveb 7y ago
      They can almost-indetectably target an individual user or group of users at any point in time in the former case while the latter case would leave traces in e.g. git histories. I trust Mozilla to write Firefox and I trust Debian to package it. I do not trust Mozilla to be trustworthy on a live and ongoing basis.
cerberusss 7y ago
Personally, that's enough for me. I've been using Firefox on iOS for at least a year or so, together with Lockwise (their password manager).
- BiteCode_dev 7y ago
  Firefox without addons is like pizza without tomato sauce. Sure you can do it, but...
  - furgooswft13 7y ago
    You don't enjoy the occasional white pizza? I'd say it's more like pizza without cheese...but you can do that too. Tomato Pie's are pretty good every now and then. How about pizza without toppings? Some restaurants even call toppings add-ons.
  - pixelrevision 7y ago
    I think of it more like supporting a local pizzeria. Firefox gets me 100% there on my desktop and using it on iOS sends Apple some sort of number that I prefer using it over the stock browser.
  - ymolodtsov 7y ago
    I still remember Firefox around its version 1.5, where you literally couldn't use it without extensions, even some basic things like Tab Recovery was only available through them.
- leshenka 7y ago
  Does Lockwise support easy import/export of passwords from/to other password managers? I'd like to use it, but I really don't want to put all eggs in one basket. Can I associate one login/password pair with multiple domains?
  - cerberusss 7y ago
    I don't think it supports import or export. One login can indeed be saved and used over multiple subdomains.
miguelmota 7y ago
A thing that annoys me is that any browser in iOS except Safari doesn’t support getUserMedia to allow camera access to do things like scan qrcodes from the site. I'm wondering if it's an artificial limitation Apple imposed to encourage people to use Safari.

76543210 7y ago

Vote with your wallet? Anti consumer companies shouldn't get your money.

Nextgrid 7y ago
What's the alternative? Buy an Android device so that not only is Google stalking you but you also pay for it? I agree that what Apple is doing here is wrong, but the alternative is worse on other fronts like privacy which is much more problematic (to me at least) than App Store restrictions.
- allenskd 7y ago
  Sadly.... this was my conclusion as well. I'd rather have an iPhone(which I do, an iPhone X) than actually get a Android device. This is the case of going with the lesser evil.... and there's no way in my mind that Apple would be the greater evil than Google when it comes to tracking users and learning all their habits while using Android. Apple is not perfect and I hate it for being so anti-consumer when it comes to repairing... and I'd love they would fully commit to a privacy-minded iOS if they have the guts to do it.
  - Nextgrid 7y ago
    The real solution is regulation for privacy, so that stalking and tracking becomes illegal no matter who does it. Then, Android would become a viable choice for many. Anti-trust regulations on Apple would also be very welcome, but irrelevant to the privacy problem.
- Krasnol 7y ago
  Buy an Android device, block the spy traffic or install a different OS on it. You know...stuff you can do with a device that actually belongs to you.
- jshevek 7y ago
  It is very easy to install a ROM and have full control over your relationship with Google.

pixelrevision 7y ago

I use Firefox on iOS. Most third party apps give you the option to switch so things like my rss reader, email client and calendar all open in it. The problem is they don’t really have enough granular control over things so they are missing key features like containers and debugging tools.

tomschlick 7y ago

Apparently it's being seriously considered: https://9to5mac.com/2020/02/20/bloomberg-apple-discussing-allowing-iphone-users-to-set-third-party-web-browsers-and-email-apps-as-defaults-native-spotify-on-homepod/ https://9to5mac.com/2020/02/20/bloomberg-apple-discussing-al...