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Isn't this essentially a repeat of the events that led to the Holocaust? I don't understand why BBC News and other Western media outlets are willing to parrot

Isn't this essentially a repeat of the events that led to the Holocaust? I don't understand why BBC News and other Western media outlets are willing to parrot the phrases "education camps" and "vocational training centres". Are these not obviously innuendos invented by the Chinese government to conceal religious persecution? Why give any legitimacy to this?

claudeganon 7y ago
Yes, of course it is. And many in the Holocaust, like Anne Frank, died from disease outbreaks in camps. As to why this is all parroted, it’s because the wealthy make money hand over fists from slavery in globalized industries and pour millions into manufacturing ideologies that justify this state of affairs. There are thousands of think tanks, academic careers, and media apparatchiks that work in service to that money and spend every waking hour constructing apologies for it.
tracer4201 7y ago
I don’t think western media outlets or western governments in general particularly care about human rights. We’ve given our citizens rights, at least in the US, because we can more or less shape and influence their opinions. Our government doesn’t have to use force. At the end of the day, capitalist interests are what matters. I know there are the Bill Gates of the world trying to make a difference, but let’s put aside the notion that our foreign policy is shaped by human rights or where another country is a democracy.
asplake 7y ago
A tad selective there? The headline for example includes the phrase “forced labour”, and the descriptions of conditions are clear enough. I’d argue that those innuendos are being called out for what they are.
- lobotryas 7y ago
  True, but for some people (not me though lol) if the media is not dropping bombs like “genocide” or “holocaust” then they are lying and enabling the CCP.
frequentnapper 7y ago
it absolultely is. The parallelism is uncanny. Back then, it was Aryans who considered themselves to be superior and , now it's the Han.
aezakmi 7y ago
You guys sure love your holocaust story.
lobotryas 7y ago
Because they want to keep getting Chinese money. It’s that simple. Same reason the NBA will work to expand in China despite the outcry of Western fans lol China found the ultimate life hack: money. Who they can’t buy they will either try to kill or starve economically.
pennyintheslot 7y ago
Is this getting downvoted by Chinese bots? I'm German and I've spent a fair share of time studying the history of my country. What we see happening in China in the last few years is an uncanny repetition of what we saw happening in Nazi Germany. - A highly sensitive and egomaniac person being elected as 'leader for life' - An extreme military build-up which we haven't seen since WWII - Persecution of minorities - Extreme state surveillance and control of public opinion - Growing hostility towards any foreigners / belief in own superiority The only reason we are not at war yet is because of the economic interdependence in a globalised world. And that's exactly why the Chinese new primary goal is 'increased economic self-sufficiency and independence'. It's also remarkable how the 'rest of the world' makes the same mistake that the rest of Europe did in the 30s. Not recognising the threat for what it is until it was almost too late (it's another argument if Nazi Germany ever had a realistic chance at winning the war). You can criticise the orange man for many things but at least he put China on the map for what it is: The biggest threat to a free and democratic world that has existed in a long time. It should also be clear by now that our capitalist elite does not care about these values at all. They will happily make business with anyone that they can get away with (without being scrutinised publicly too much). The earlier we collectively realise that China under Winnie-the-Pooh is a serious threat, the earlier we can adjust our global policy to hopefully prevent another disaster in human history. This also starts at the individual-level by voting with our wallets and not buying from any Western companies that so happily throw away our values to earn a few more bucks.
Grue3 7y ago
Not religious, this is ethnic persecution. Han Muslims are left alone.

claudeganon 7y ago

Yes, of course it is. And many in the Holocaust, like Anne Frank, died from disease outbreaks in camps. As to why this is all parroted, it’s because the wealthy make money hand over fists from slavery in globalized industries and pour millions into manufacturing ideologies that justify this state of affairs. There are thousands of think tanks, academic careers, and media apparatchiks that work in service to that money and spend every waking hour constructing apologies for it.

tracer4201 7y ago

I don’t think western media outlets or western governments in general particularly care about human rights. We’ve given our citizens rights, at least in the US, because we can more or less shape and influence their opinions. Our government doesn’t have to use force. At the end of the day, capitalist interests are what matters. I know there are the Bill Gates of the world trying to make a difference, but let’s put aside the notion that our foreign policy is shaped by human rights or where another country is a democracy.

asplake 7y ago

A tad selective there? The headline for example includes the phrase “forced labour”, and the descriptions of conditions are clear enough. I’d argue that those innuendos are being called out for what they are.

lobotryas 7y ago
True, but for some people (not me though lol) if the media is not dropping bombs like “genocide” or “holocaust” then they are lying and enabling the CCP.

frequentnapper 7y ago

it absolultely is. The parallelism is uncanny. Back then, it was Aryans who considered themselves to be superior and , now it's the Han.

aezakmi 7y ago

You guys sure love your holocaust story.

lobotryas 7y ago

Because they want to keep getting Chinese money. It’s that simple. Same reason the NBA will work to expand in China despite the outcry of Western fans lol China found the ultimate life hack: money. Who they can’t buy they will either try to kill or starve economically.

pennyintheslot 7y ago

Is this getting downvoted by Chinese bots? I'm German and I've spent a fair share of time studying the history of my country. What we see happening in China in the last few years is an uncanny repetition of what we saw happening in Nazi Germany. - A highly sensitive and egomaniac person being elected as 'leader for life' - An extreme military build-up which we haven't seen since WWII - Persecution of minorities - Extreme state surveillance and control of public opinion - Growing hostility towards any foreigners / belief in own superiority The only reason we are not at war yet is because of the economic interdependence in a globalised world. And that's exactly why the Chinese new primary goal is 'increased economic self-sufficiency and independence'. It's also remarkable how the 'rest of the world' makes the same mistake that the rest of Europe did in the 30s. Not recognising the threat for what it is until it was almost too late (it's another argument if Nazi Germany ever had a realistic chance at winning the war). You can criticise the orange man for many things but at least he put China on the map for what it is: The biggest threat to a free and democratic world that has existed in a long time. It should also be clear by now that our capitalist elite does not care about these values at all. They will happily make business with anyone that they can get away with (without being scrutinised publicly too much). The earlier we collectively realise that China under Winnie-the-Pooh is a serious threat, the earlier we can adjust our global policy to hopefully prevent another disaster in human history. This also starts at the individual-level by voting with our wallets and not buying from any Western companies that so happily throw away our values to earn a few more bucks.

Grue3 7y ago

Not religious, this is ethnic persecution. Han Muslims are left alone.