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I'd have a hard time moving back to a smaller city type place because of the negatives you describe, but also because I think it's like putting a handicap on de
by fossuser 7y ago
I'd have a hard time moving back to a smaller city type place because of the negatives you describe, but also because I think it's like putting a handicap on development (not a great place to raise kids).
I grew up in a nice suburb outside Buffalo in upstate New York and I had a pleasant childhood there, but it's a desert of ideas and a hard place to get exposure to smart people learning/doing things. Not impossible, but much harder. The bay area is on the other extreme end in terms of opportunity and being able to learn from people. I think you grow faster when you have more interaction with smart people, and in a place where there is a lot of growth there are a lot of opportunities for that.
Though there are risks to any ideological bubble (and SF tends to have cultural issues that can lean similarly extreme to a small town) - that seems generally contained. There's still a lot more opportunity to learn from people building things here, and growing up here it'd be easier to learn more, faster.
It's also nice not having to waste time on things like religious discussions, the bar of interesting is generally set higher because there's already pretty good consensus. When the base-line is more of a rational/scientific world view you can tackle more interesting problems (and conversation).
Housing is extremely cheap where I grew up, but it's not worth the trade-off. Another benefit of being in an intellectual and economic hub is that there's a feedback loop that continues to attract more people all the time. This also means your kids are more likely to stick around (everyone I was friends with that went on to do interesting things left Buffalo). Though if local communities continue to refuse to build housing this may become less true over time.
- TulliusCicero 7y ago> Another benefit of being in an intellectual and economic hub is that there's a feedback loop that continues to attract more people all the time. I get what you mean, but hoo boy, as a bay area native, this most certainly has not happened there. Almost everyone I knew growing up that doesn't work in tech themselves now has long since left (as well as a fair number who do work in tech, like me). What you're saying is accurate, but if the area chooses to fight its own growth, like what the bay area has done, it makes it much harder for people to stick around.
- fossuser 7y agoI think it actually has happened here, but now instead of being able to own a house or live in our own place we live with 3-4 roommates in shared housing or apartments. There's still a lot of people moving here, but I think you're right - it's in spite of all of the bad housing policy trying to prevent it. I also think you're right that it's selected out anyone who can't command a high salary.
- TulliusCicero 7y ago> I think it actually has happened here > it's selected out anyone who can't command a high salary. Yeah, see, these can't both be true at the same time. What's happened is that the bay area is an attractive place to live and stick around...except that the insane housing costs mean that people can't really afford it unless they live the college student lifestyle indefinitely. So that one single issue effs up the whole thing.