> We've got to get away from this myth that learning a programming language makes you forever forget how to shower, makes you unpleasant, ignorant of the custom

> We've got to get away from this myth that learning a programming language makes you forever forget how to shower, makes you unpleasant, ignorant of the customer, etc. This wasn't even implied, and seems like a projection of your internal biases. My point was geeks are good at some things, and bad at others. Nobody is better at everything, and that is a profoundly arrogant stance to take. > What is not avoidable is that people who don't know how to program, and how software works, still don't know how to program, and end up making decisions while blind. Sure, and most geeks have never made a sale in their life. Most geeks have never raised VC capital before. Most geeks have never had to make a presentation to shareholders before. Geeks have their strengths and weaknesses just like everybody else. However this "us vs them" mentality is just a setup for disaster. Sure, it would be better if more people had the knowledge to code like geeks as that lends them more perspective. Likewise, it would be better if more geeks had the knowledge to do sales, create partnerships, and everything else useful for running a business as it would lend them more perspective. But people can only do so many things with the hours in a day, which is why people specialize and collaborate. The obvious superficial example to bolster my argument is to look at the clusterfuck of product launches at Google, a fundamentally engineering-first company. They're the laughing stock even amongst geeks here on HN.