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It's like protests is meant to cause a disruption. I really have a terrible place in my heart for people who criticize protests because it caused a disruption.

It's like protests is meant to cause a disruption. I really have a terrible place in my heart for people who criticize protests because it caused a disruption. That's the point of a protest. I'm very happy for you that you've never felt the need to take these drastic steps, but they're protesting real issues and real problems they're having. The grades are ultimately the universities problem

oh_sigh 7y ago
If me and my flat earth friends shut down the highway you need to take to work in order to protest the teaching of sphereism in schools, you wouldn't complain?
refurb 7y ago
Protesting by making the lives harder for your fellow students is just a dumb strategy. It doesn't hurt the administration, it hurts the students. Now the students are backing the administration!
- asdff 7y ago
  Whether or not it hurts the students is up to the administration. Professors can grade their own exams, as they do in many courses already. The university doesn't even have to dip into their own pockets, they can use federally subsidized work study labor if they were short on labor. However, by hurting students and adhering to draconian policies that serve to hurt more students, the school is paradoxically increasing support because the administration knows students are going to be enraged without looking into the nuance of why these things are happening to them, and who decides why these things should happen the way that they do.
  - refurb 7y ago
    From what I’ve gathered, the exams were turned over to the grad students for grading. The school asked for the grades, the grad students refused. Has the school asked for the exams to be returned, so they could be graded? I don’t know. I assume the graduate students wouldn’t turn them over anyways.
    - asdff 7y ago
      And again, this is brought upon by the university and their adherence to policies designed to strike the biggest wedge between the student body. I've had classes at my university where if you miss one exam your grade is averaged from all the rest. If the building that housed the exams was engulfed in flames and all the exams were lost, this is probably what the university would do in response. The university is free to make whatever rule they'd like to get around this, but instead go for maximum hurt to try to cut the legs off of this strike, and what is blowing me away is that this strategy by the university is working very effectively.
      - refurb 7y ago
        What is the college doing with regards to the withheld grades? Even if they did average all my other work, I'd be pissed I put all that effort into something that has zero impact on my grade. You're acting like the grad students have clean hands here which is clearly not true. They joined the union with the intent they would negotiate on their behalf. The union did so and promised to stop any wildcat strike. The students didn't like the job the union did, so they went on strike, violating the contract.
        SolaceQuantum 7y ago
        "e. They joined the union with the intent they would negotiate on their behalf." They didn't have a choice. The union then negotiated against their interests.
        refurb 7y ago
        Their choice was to either not join the union or join another one. They likely joined UAW because they were already representing UCSC employees (bargaining power). Along with that comes the fact that union represents all members, not just you.
garmaine 7y ago
Ok, so how about next time I'm mad about something I throw a brick through your window? That should cause some disruption and make you pay attention. Dirsupting uninvolved people to get attention is self-serving and short-sighted. You do that to me and I will be against your cause for sure.
antiterra 7y ago
I sense you've never been a low-income undergrad who has experienced the crushing burden of repaying a student loan without having either the a degree or career prospects to show for it.

oh_sigh 7y ago

If me and my flat earth friends shut down the highway you need to take to work in order to protest the teaching of sphereism in schools, you wouldn't complain?

refurb 7y ago

Protesting by making the lives harder for your fellow students is just a dumb strategy. It doesn't hurt the administration, it hurts the students. Now the students are backing the administration!

asdff 7y ago
Whether or not it hurts the students is up to the administration. Professors can grade their own exams, as they do in many courses already. The university doesn't even have to dip into their own pockets, they can use federally subsidized work study labor if they were short on labor. However, by hurting students and adhering to draconian policies that serve to hurt more students, the school is paradoxically increasing support because the administration knows students are going to be enraged without looking into the nuance of why these things are happening to them, and who decides why these things should happen the way that they do.
- refurb 7y ago
  From what I’ve gathered, the exams were turned over to the grad students for grading. The school asked for the grades, the grad students refused. Has the school asked for the exams to be returned, so they could be graded? I don’t know. I assume the graduate students wouldn’t turn them over anyways.
  - asdff 7y ago
    And again, this is brought upon by the university and their adherence to policies designed to strike the biggest wedge between the student body. I've had classes at my university where if you miss one exam your grade is averaged from all the rest. If the building that housed the exams was engulfed in flames and all the exams were lost, this is probably what the university would do in response. The university is free to make whatever rule they'd like to get around this, but instead go for maximum hurt to try to cut the legs off of this strike, and what is blowing me away is that this strategy by the university is working very effectively.
    - refurb 7y ago
      What is the college doing with regards to the withheld grades? Even if they did average all my other work, I'd be pissed I put all that effort into something that has zero impact on my grade. You're acting like the grad students have clean hands here which is clearly not true. They joined the union with the intent they would negotiate on their behalf. The union did so and promised to stop any wildcat strike. The students didn't like the job the union did, so they went on strike, violating the contract.
      - SolaceQuantum 7y ago
        "e. They joined the union with the intent they would negotiate on their behalf." They didn't have a choice. The union then negotiated against their interests.
        refurb 7y ago
        Their choice was to either not join the union or join another one. They likely joined UAW because they were already representing UCSC employees (bargaining power). Along with that comes the fact that union represents all members, not just you.

garmaine 7y ago

Ok, so how about next time I'm mad about something I throw a brick through your window? That should cause some disruption and make you pay attention. Dirsupting uninvolved people to get attention is self-serving and short-sighted. You do that to me and I will be against your cause for sure.

antiterra 7y ago

I sense you've never been a low-income undergrad who has experienced the crushing burden of repaying a student loan without having either the a degree or career prospects to show for it.