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You are several years out of date. Please take a look at benchmarks and real usage from the last few months. With Zen 2, AMD has won the IPC game. Their Threadr

You are several years out of date. Please take a look at benchmarks and real usage from the last few months. With Zen 2, AMD has won the IPC game. Their Threadripper 64 core CPUs boost to 4GHz. There is just no alternative to this kind of performance to be found anywhere in Intel products right now.

tmpz22 7y ago
Speaking specifically for gaming, it’s interesting to see trends for machine specs by top streamers - the ones pulling in millions per year who usually pay big money for the best most gluttonous machines available. For the most part you see them running the intel 9900K/KS line HOWEVER many of them were built in late 2018 when both that chip and the 2080TI gpus came out. It’ll be interesting to see what standard they set this summer when the new Nvidia GPU comes out. I expect everyone will upgrade then including CPUs if they deem a different CPU available. Also a slight tangent, it’ll be interesting to see how the competitive landscape shakes out after the pricing hike in hardware due to logistics slow downs in Asia due to all the quarantines going on. Linus TEch Tips just did a great video on this, maybe when the dust settles AMD will be the undisputed champion.
- LeoNatan25 7y ago
  The only advantage 9900K/KS have for gaming is that their default boost is very high (KS is 5GHz). Overclock an AMD 3900X or 3800X, and that advantage is moot at best and nonexistent at worst. Also, don't forget that these "streamers" are basically blank canvas advertisement machines, "putting out" to whoever pays top money, be it Intel, which is very active in that scene, the various motherboard companies which want to advertise their Intel-geared products and cooling solutions, which sometimes are geared toward Intel CPUs. The last two are changing slowly. In the last year, the amount of B450/X570 chipset motherboards flooding the market was staggering. It was very clear where the wind is blowing in the gaming segments. Intel is still a very high-paying force, but you will start seeing "streamers" also take the AMD route over time.
- PaulKeeble 7y ago
  Those that use streaming PCs are almost always using Ryzen for that purpose. They add streaming machines to allow them to run CPU encoding for h264 since it produces a better image than NVEnc and it is very parallelisable and just a lot faster on Ryzen at the same price as a result. Gaming wise they are chose and kept 9900K(S)s for a good performance reason but they are also using Ryzen for video rendering and streaming purposes very often as it tends to do the scrubbing and rendering out quicker as well, but that also depends on the software you use as Premiere is mostly GPU limited except on certain effects. As far as I can see the Youtube/Streamer types are either poor and choosing Ryzen as making videos is their bottleneck and its better bang for the buck or rich and choosing the best CPU for each circumstance across a range of computers. Programmers that game have a different trade-off. A lot of compilers aren't all that parallel and many other tools aren't either. It highly depends on the language and tooling and the program you are writing. Maybe you can get use out of 32/64 CPU with what you are using, but if you are programming a language that is single-threaded mostly (Ruby) then perhaps there isn't a lot of point on anything more than 2/4. This is the wider issue with threading scaling generally and having two companies chasing differing things. Intel is going hard for more clock speed with minor increments at the moment while AMD is going wider at somewhat lower clock speed. IPC wise AMD has an advantage in many cases but it's by no means always the case. It is complex to choose the right thing if 20% matters to you, but if 20% doesn't then go AMD because at the same price you get a lot more cores.
PaulKeeble 7y ago
Actually I am not, I talking specifically about the 3800 and 3900 verses the 9900KS. Intel is still on average faster but whether that is worth the loss in other areas really depends. The area in which Intel is faster is narrowing (high refresh rate, certain games that are lowly threaded) and the advantage is smaller. When we were talking the Zen1 CPUs things were worse than this, more like 15% average behind and up to 35%. As its narrowed AMD has also made plenty of wins too, it is now highly dependent on games played and if something you always play favours one over another. Whether you then choose Intel depends on the circumstances, but the facts are the facts.
- LeoNatan25 7y ago
  But you are. Facts are facts. Here are some facts: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html AMD CPUs are leading the chart with lower clock rates than Intel's 9900KS (4.0 GHz base, 5.0 GHz boost). Overclock those AMD CPUs and Intel has no advantage.
  - PaulKeeble 7y ago
    That isn't games, passmark is a wide splattering of applications, some of which clearly benefit from threading. I have talked about a particular set of circumstances in which Intel wins (and looses) and your source is garbage for that circumstance. https://youtu.be/CGQY9yJqfMs?t=449 https://youtu.be/CGQY9yJqfMs?t=449 <- this is a 36 game roundup from a place that does decent game testing. Here is another from GamersNexus probably one of the best places for gaming reviews out there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqQ2X1y0jvw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqQ2X1y0jvw Here is Anandtech on the 9900KS that includes a 3900X, their methods and range of tests is pretty outdated nowadays but still the same picture emerges https://www.anandtech.com/show/14979/the-intel-core-i9-9900ks-review/8 https://www.anandtech.com/show/14979/the-intel-core-i9-9900k... The majority of the big outlets say the same thing about gaming and low threaded workloads on these CPUs. Intel wins that still, not by as much as it did but it still wins most of the time and on average about 7%, at worst more like 20-25%. Intel also looses sometimes, it really depends.

tmpz22 7y ago

Speaking specifically for gaming, it’s interesting to see trends for machine specs by top streamers - the ones pulling in millions per year who usually pay big money for the best most gluttonous machines available. For the most part you see them running the intel 9900K/KS line HOWEVER many of them were built in late 2018 when both that chip and the 2080TI gpus came out. It’ll be interesting to see what standard they set this summer when the new Nvidia GPU comes out. I expect everyone will upgrade then including CPUs if they deem a different CPU available. Also a slight tangent, it’ll be interesting to see how the competitive landscape shakes out after the pricing hike in hardware due to logistics slow downs in Asia due to all the quarantines going on. Linus TEch Tips just did a great video on this, maybe when the dust settles AMD will be the undisputed champion.

LeoNatan25 7y ago
The only advantage 9900K/KS have for gaming is that their default boost is very high (KS is 5GHz). Overclock an AMD 3900X or 3800X, and that advantage is moot at best and nonexistent at worst. Also, don't forget that these "streamers" are basically blank canvas advertisement machines, "putting out" to whoever pays top money, be it Intel, which is very active in that scene, the various motherboard companies which want to advertise their Intel-geared products and cooling solutions, which sometimes are geared toward Intel CPUs. The last two are changing slowly. In the last year, the amount of B450/X570 chipset motherboards flooding the market was staggering. It was very clear where the wind is blowing in the gaming segments. Intel is still a very high-paying force, but you will start seeing "streamers" also take the AMD route over time.
PaulKeeble 7y ago
Those that use streaming PCs are almost always using Ryzen for that purpose. They add streaming machines to allow them to run CPU encoding for h264 since it produces a better image than NVEnc and it is very parallelisable and just a lot faster on Ryzen at the same price as a result. Gaming wise they are chose and kept 9900K(S)s for a good performance reason but they are also using Ryzen for video rendering and streaming purposes very often as it tends to do the scrubbing and rendering out quicker as well, but that also depends on the software you use as Premiere is mostly GPU limited except on certain effects. As far as I can see the Youtube/Streamer types are either poor and choosing Ryzen as making videos is their bottleneck and its better bang for the buck or rich and choosing the best CPU for each circumstance across a range of computers. Programmers that game have a different trade-off. A lot of compilers aren't all that parallel and many other tools aren't either. It highly depends on the language and tooling and the program you are writing. Maybe you can get use out of 32/64 CPU with what you are using, but if you are programming a language that is single-threaded mostly (Ruby) then perhaps there isn't a lot of point on anything more than 2/4. This is the wider issue with threading scaling generally and having two companies chasing differing things. Intel is going hard for more clock speed with minor increments at the moment while AMD is going wider at somewhat lower clock speed. IPC wise AMD has an advantage in many cases but it's by no means always the case. It is complex to choose the right thing if 20% matters to you, but if 20% doesn't then go AMD because at the same price you get a lot more cores.

PaulKeeble 7y ago

Actually I am not, I talking specifically about the 3800 and 3900 verses the 9900KS. Intel is still on average faster but whether that is worth the loss in other areas really depends. The area in which Intel is faster is narrowing (high refresh rate, certain games that are lowly threaded) and the advantage is smaller. When we were talking the Zen1 CPUs things were worse than this, more like 15% average behind and up to 35%. As its narrowed AMD has also made plenty of wins too, it is now highly dependent on games played and if something you always play favours one over another. Whether you then choose Intel depends on the circumstances, but the facts are the facts.

LeoNatan25 7y ago
But you are. Facts are facts. Here are some facts: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html AMD CPUs are leading the chart with lower clock rates than Intel's 9900KS (4.0 GHz base, 5.0 GHz boost). Overclock those AMD CPUs and Intel has no advantage.
- PaulKeeble 7y ago
  That isn't games, passmark is a wide splattering of applications, some of which clearly benefit from threading. I have talked about a particular set of circumstances in which Intel wins (and looses) and your source is garbage for that circumstance. https://youtu.be/CGQY9yJqfMs?t=449 https://youtu.be/CGQY9yJqfMs?t=449 <- this is a 36 game roundup from a place that does decent game testing. Here is another from GamersNexus probably one of the best places for gaming reviews out there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqQ2X1y0jvw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqQ2X1y0jvw Here is Anandtech on the 9900KS that includes a 3900X, their methods and range of tests is pretty outdated nowadays but still the same picture emerges https://www.anandtech.com/show/14979/the-intel-core-i9-9900ks-review/8 https://www.anandtech.com/show/14979/the-intel-core-i9-9900k... The majority of the big outlets say the same thing about gaming and low threaded workloads on these CPUs. Intel wins that still, not by as much as it did but it still wins most of the time and on average about 7%, at worst more like 20-25%. Intel also looses sometimes, it really depends.