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Clockspeed/IPC. Intel still is a bit quicker on average in games, about 7% compared to the equivalently priced Ryzen CPU. Some games, especially older ones, it

Clockspeed/IPC. Intel still is a bit quicker on average in games, about 7% compared to the equivalently priced Ryzen CPU. Some games, especially older ones, it can be as much as 20% for some outliers that are still quite popular. Intel is also tending to win in lowly threaded desktop applications because it can boost higher for longer. AMD's single-core boost is for quite short periods and only on one core with a quicker drop off as more cores are utilised, but Intel will maintain its boost in well-cooled conditions for many minutes or forever with a bios setting (many motherboards come this way by default although it's technically outside of spec) and it will happily also run the single-core overclock with all cores, again with a bios setting (also out of spec, also often comes turned on by default). AMD's CPUs are pushed much harder out of the factory and only 1 core on the chip can achieve the stated highest clock speed so it just can't do the same thing. Intel ends up better somewhat better in low threaded stuff, games and applications, due to similar IPC but higher clock speed. But AMD CPUs beat it soundly for anything that can utilise more threads as at the same price you get 50% more cores than you do with Intel at least. Below a certain clock speed boost and price Intel just isn't worth it at all, neither are its productivity chips. 9700k, 9900K, 9900kS the soon to be released equivalent 10000 chips, those are still worth it compared to the 3900k, 3800k for certain gaming. Below that however I wouldn't bother with Intel at all and I certainly wouldn't bother with Intel at 60hz, it only really plays at high refresh rates or very particular games. Saying that just be aware that the Intel CPU will probably age worse as threading continues to increase, all be it a very slow process. It really is going to depend on if you play AAA games or whether you play something particular or indy games and if they have problems with performance and are also lowly threaded.

lumberingjack 7y ago
The only thing that matters to me is that Intel has been screwing us over monetarily for almost a decade. I wouldn't care if AMD was 30% slower( it's not more like 5%) I'm giving them my money cuz they're not screwing me over
LeoNatan25 7y ago
You are several years out of date. Please take a look at benchmarks and real usage from the last few months. With Zen 2, AMD has won the IPC game. Their Threadripper 64 core CPUs boost to 4GHz. There is just no alternative to this kind of performance to be found anywhere in Intel products right now.
- tmpz22 7y ago
  Speaking specifically for gaming, it’s interesting to see trends for machine specs by top streamers - the ones pulling in millions per year who usually pay big money for the best most gluttonous machines available. For the most part you see them running the intel 9900K/KS line HOWEVER many of them were built in late 2018 when both that chip and the 2080TI gpus came out. It’ll be interesting to see what standard they set this summer when the new Nvidia GPU comes out. I expect everyone will upgrade then including CPUs if they deem a different CPU available. Also a slight tangent, it’ll be interesting to see how the competitive landscape shakes out after the pricing hike in hardware due to logistics slow downs in Asia due to all the quarantines going on. Linus TEch Tips just did a great video on this, maybe when the dust settles AMD will be the undisputed champion.
  - LeoNatan25 7y ago
    The only advantage 9900K/KS have for gaming is that their default boost is very high (KS is 5GHz). Overclock an AMD 3900X or 3800X, and that advantage is moot at best and nonexistent at worst. Also, don't forget that these "streamers" are basically blank canvas advertisement machines, "putting out" to whoever pays top money, be it Intel, which is very active in that scene, the various motherboard companies which want to advertise their Intel-geared products and cooling solutions, which sometimes are geared toward Intel CPUs. The last two are changing slowly. In the last year, the amount of B450/X570 chipset motherboards flooding the market was staggering. It was very clear where the wind is blowing in the gaming segments. Intel is still a very high-paying force, but you will start seeing "streamers" also take the AMD route over time.
  - PaulKeeble 7y ago
    Those that use streaming PCs are almost always using Ryzen for that purpose. They add streaming machines to allow them to run CPU encoding for h264 since it produces a better image than NVEnc and it is very parallelisable and just a lot faster on Ryzen at the same price as a result. Gaming wise they are chose and kept 9900K(S)s for a good performance reason but they are also using Ryzen for video rendering and streaming purposes very often as it tends to do the scrubbing and rendering out quicker as well, but that also depends on the software you use as Premiere is mostly GPU limited except on certain effects. As far as I can see the Youtube/Streamer types are either poor and choosing Ryzen as making videos is their bottleneck and its better bang for the buck or rich and choosing the best CPU for each circumstance across a range of computers. Programmers that game have a different trade-off. A lot of compilers aren't all that parallel and many other tools aren't either. It highly depends on the language and tooling and the program you are writing. Maybe you can get use out of 32/64 CPU with what you are using, but if you are programming a language that is single-threaded mostly (Ruby) then perhaps there isn't a lot of point on anything more than 2/4. This is the wider issue with threading scaling generally and having two companies chasing differing things. Intel is going hard for more clock speed with minor increments at the moment while AMD is going wider at somewhat lower clock speed. IPC wise AMD has an advantage in many cases but it's by no means always the case. It is complex to choose the right thing if 20% matters to you, but if 20% doesn't then go AMD because at the same price you get a lot more cores.

lumberingjack 7y ago

The only thing that matters to me is that Intel has been screwing us over monetarily for almost a decade. I wouldn't care if AMD was 30% slower( it's not more like 5%) I'm giving them my money cuz they're not screwing me over

LeoNatan25 7y ago

You are several years out of date. Please take a look at benchmarks and real usage from the last few months. With Zen 2, AMD has won the IPC game. Their Threadripper 64 core CPUs boost to 4GHz. There is just no alternative to this kind of performance to be found anywhere in Intel products right now.

tmpz22 7y ago
Speaking specifically for gaming, it’s interesting to see trends for machine specs by top streamers - the ones pulling in millions per year who usually pay big money for the best most gluttonous machines available. For the most part you see them running the intel 9900K/KS line HOWEVER many of them were built in late 2018 when both that chip and the 2080TI gpus came out. It’ll be interesting to see what standard they set this summer when the new Nvidia GPU comes out. I expect everyone will upgrade then including CPUs if they deem a different CPU available. Also a slight tangent, it’ll be interesting to see how the competitive landscape shakes out after the pricing hike in hardware due to logistics slow downs in Asia due to all the quarantines going on. Linus TEch Tips just did a great video on this, maybe when the dust settles AMD will be the undisputed champion.
- LeoNatan25 7y ago
  The only advantage 9900K/KS have for gaming is that their default boost is very high (KS is 5GHz). Overclock an AMD 3900X or 3800X, and that advantage is moot at best and nonexistent at worst. Also, don't forget that these "streamers" are basically blank canvas advertisement machines, "putting out" to whoever pays top money, be it Intel, which is very active in that scene, the various motherboard companies which want to advertise their Intel-geared products and cooling solutions, which sometimes are geared toward Intel CPUs. The last two are changing slowly. In the last year, the amount of B450/X570 chipset motherboards flooding the market was staggering. It was very clear where the wind is blowing in the gaming segments. Intel is still a very high-paying force, but you will start seeing "streamers" also take the AMD route over time.
- PaulKeeble 7y ago
  Those that use streaming PCs are almost always using Ryzen for that purpose. They add streaming machines to allow them to run CPU encoding for h264 since it produces a better image than NVEnc and it is very parallelisable and just a lot faster on Ryzen at the same price as a result. Gaming wise they are chose and kept 9900K(S)s for a good performance reason but they are also using Ryzen for video rendering and streaming purposes very often as it tends to do the scrubbing and rendering out quicker as well, but that also depends on the software you use as Premiere is mostly GPU limited except on certain effects. As far as I can see the Youtube/Streamer types are either poor and choosing Ryzen as making videos is their bottleneck and its better bang for the buck or rich and choosing the best CPU for each circumstance across a range of computers. Programmers that game have a different trade-off. A lot of compilers aren't all that parallel and many other tools aren't either. It highly depends on the language and tooling and the program you are writing. Maybe you can get use out of 32/64 CPU with what you are using, but if you are programming a language that is single-threaded mostly (Ruby) then perhaps there isn't a lot of point on anything more than 2/4. This is the wider issue with threading scaling generally and having two companies chasing differing things. Intel is going hard for more clock speed with minor increments at the moment while AMD is going wider at somewhat lower clock speed. IPC wise AMD has an advantage in many cases but it's by no means always the case. It is complex to choose the right thing if 20% matters to you, but if 20% doesn't then go AMD because at the same price you get a lot more cores.