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>Show me how fast you go to market with a web application and mobile backend written as a single threaded C++ application. Also please tell me how long it took

>Show me how fast you go to market with a web application and mobile backend written as a single threaded C++ application. Also please tell me how long it took to secure and set up and maintain the server. Let's not go crazy, Apache on metal is a very simple setup and at least as secure as S3 out of the box. Platform spread and simplicity are just lost concepts, that's all.

gumby 7y ago
I'm not sure it'd even be possible to run Apache on bare metal; it has too many dependencies on OS facilities. I'm curious if people are running bare metal web servers. I'd think there's enough lookup, modules etc that it wouldn't be worth it (small embedded applications like IoT frobs excepted)
- idclip 7y ago
  Bare metal just means not a VM. The machine still has an OS.
  - pinkfoot 7y ago
    No, it really does not mean that.
    - dragontamer 7y ago
      https://us.ovhcloud.com/dedicated-servers/ https://us.ovhcloud.com/dedicated-servers/ > OVHcloud Best Value is a great way for you to experience the advantages of bare metal over virtual servers at an unbeatable price. Our Best Value bare metal servers feature the most stable environment, making it perfect for processing large volumes of data. The terminology is "bare metal" when buying up dedicated servers these days. Some places still use the term "dedicated", but since the advent of "the cloud", the term "bare metal" has come up, since most instances are ASSUMED to be VPS.
  - gumby 7y ago
    That doesn’t even make sense. Wouldn’t that be “non-virtualized”? “Bare metal” has meant right on the bare hardware (silicon) since the 1960s. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone use that expression in any other way.
    - apk-d 7y ago
      Not really a cloud developer, so I looked up a couple of links and I haven't been able to find any uses of the term other than referring to a single-tenant machine that you have complete control over, as opposed to virtualized solutions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare-metal_server https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare-metal_server https://www.ibm.com/cloud/bare-metal-servers/hosting-solutions https://www.ibm.com/cloud/bare-metal-servers/hosting-solutio... https://www.ionos.com/digitalguide/server/know-how/bare-metal-servers-definition-and-structure/ https://www.ionos.com/digitalguide/server/know-how/bare-meta... https://www.rackspace.com/library/what-is-a-bare-metal-server https://www.rackspace.com/library/what-is-a-bare-metal-serve...
      - snovv_crash 7y ago
        For web, yes. For embedded systems, "bare metal" means running without an OS.
        thawaway1837 7y ago
        That’s both correct and irrelevant because this entire thread is about running Apache, which is clearly about the web, considering Apache is a web server.
        idclip 7y ago
        You know whats funny? If be excited to see Apache run embedded on hardware. This comment is claiming way too many victims. Shame, it'd be a rather exciting experiment!
    - DSingularity 7y ago
      Bare metal is often used to mean using a CPU instead of a vCPU. But I can see why you would interpret it the way you did.
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gumby 7y ago

I'm not sure it'd even be possible to run Apache on bare metal; it has too many dependencies on OS facilities. I'm curious if people are running bare metal web servers. I'd think there's enough lookup, modules etc that it wouldn't be worth it (small embedded applications like IoT frobs excepted)

idclip 7y ago
Bare metal just means not a VM. The machine still has an OS.
- pinkfoot 7y ago
  No, it really does not mean that.
  - dragontamer 7y ago
    https://us.ovhcloud.com/dedicated-servers/ https://us.ovhcloud.com/dedicated-servers/ > OVHcloud Best Value is a great way for you to experience the advantages of bare metal over virtual servers at an unbeatable price. Our Best Value bare metal servers feature the most stable environment, making it perfect for processing large volumes of data. The terminology is "bare metal" when buying up dedicated servers these days. Some places still use the term "dedicated", but since the advent of "the cloud", the term "bare metal" has come up, since most instances are ASSUMED to be VPS.
- gumby 7y ago
  That doesn’t even make sense. Wouldn’t that be “non-virtualized”? “Bare metal” has meant right on the bare hardware (silicon) since the 1960s. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone use that expression in any other way.
  - apk-d 7y ago
    Not really a cloud developer, so I looked up a couple of links and I haven't been able to find any uses of the term other than referring to a single-tenant machine that you have complete control over, as opposed to virtualized solutions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare-metal_server https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare-metal_server https://www.ibm.com/cloud/bare-metal-servers/hosting-solutions https://www.ibm.com/cloud/bare-metal-servers/hosting-solutio... https://www.ionos.com/digitalguide/server/know-how/bare-metal-servers-definition-and-structure/ https://www.ionos.com/digitalguide/server/know-how/bare-meta... https://www.rackspace.com/library/what-is-a-bare-metal-server https://www.rackspace.com/library/what-is-a-bare-metal-serve...
    - snovv_crash 7y ago
      For web, yes. For embedded systems, "bare metal" means running without an OS.
      - thawaway1837 7y ago
        That’s both correct and irrelevant because this entire thread is about running Apache, which is clearly about the web, considering Apache is a web server.
        idclip 7y ago
        You know whats funny? If be excited to see Apache run embedded on hardware. This comment is claiming way too many victims. Shame, it'd be a rather exciting experiment!
  - DSingularity 7y ago
    Bare metal is often used to mean using a CPU instead of a vCPU. But I can see why you would interpret it the way you did.
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