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> How is everything with a processor not a general purpose computer? They are general purpose computers; this does apply to most products with a processor. How

by pdkl95 7y ago

> How is everything with a processor not a general purpose computer? They are general purpose computers; this does apply to most products with a processor. However, there are practical differences in what you can implement on an iPhone compared to a tiny embedded CPU with a few kB or MB of RAM. > Apple isn’t selling a device that you can do with as you please Transferring ownership of property is the very definition of "selling" something. If Apple want to restrict what people do with their device, they shouldn't be selling it. They can rent/license it, and a very different set of laws would apply. > If you don’t like Apple’s policies you are free to buy an Android device. I am also free to use the goods I bought in violation of those policies. That's what it means to own something. > giving the government more power. Who is giving the government which new powers? I'm talking about basic property rights.

scarface74 7y ago
They are general purpose computers; this does apply to most products with a processor. However, there are practical differences in what you can implement on an iPhone compared to a tiny embedded CPU with a few kB or MB of RAM. So by that standard, an Apple //e with 128KB of RAM and 1Mhz processor wasn’t a general purpose computer? Transferring ownership of property is the very definition of "selling" something. If Apple want to restrict what people do with their device, they shouldn't be selling it. They can rent/license it, and a very different set of laws would apply So does the same rule apply to game consoles? My TV with an embedded Roku?
zimpenfish 7y ago
> Transferring ownership of property Whilst you might buy the phone, I believe you effectively "rent/license" iOS, no? Which means Apple are restricting not what you do with "your device" but "their OS". No ownership of iOS has been transferred. (I know the two are intimately tangled and this is nitpicking but we're well into the legal nitpicking weeds here.)

by pdkl95 7y ago

scarface74 7y ago

They are general purpose computers; this does apply to most products with a processor. However, there are practical differences in what you can implement on an iPhone compared to a tiny embedded CPU with a few kB or MB of RAM. So by that standard, an Apple //e with 128KB of RAM and 1Mhz processor wasn’t a general purpose computer? Transferring ownership of property is the very definition of "selling" something. If Apple want to restrict what people do with their device, they shouldn't be selling it. They can rent/license it, and a very different set of laws would apply So does the same rule apply to game consoles? My TV with an embedded Roku?

zimpenfish 7y ago

> Transferring ownership of property Whilst you might buy the phone, I believe you effectively "rent/license" iOS, no? Which means Apple are restricting not what you do with "your device" but "their OS". No ownership of iOS has been transferred. (I know the two are intimately tangled and this is nitpicking but we're well into the legal nitpicking weeds here.)