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HN: I won't use anything Google makes, they always shut stuff down. Also HN: I'm all in on Go. HN: Learn a new language every year, it's easy and worth it even

by matt2000 7y ago

HN: I won't use anything Google makes, they always shut stuff down. Also HN: I'm all in on Go. HN: Learn a new language every year, it's easy and worth it even the language isn't useful for anything. Also HN: I won't learn a new language that would allow me to double my mobile dev productivity because someone told me it was bad 8 years ago.

detaro 7y ago
It's almost as if HN is a community made of different people with different opinions and not a singular entity.
- libria 7y ago
  This isn't about who likes what, it's about inconsistent reasoning. If Google creating a language is reason to believe it will die, why does that apply to Dart and not Go? This assumes you've observed the much higher popularity for Go and lack of it for Dart here on HN (and most elsewhere).
  - nl 7y ago
    Go is used at a bunch of major companies outside Google. Dart is only used in Flutter (and apparently Fuchsia). Dart overlaps in goals almost completely with Typescript which is heavily used multiple teams within Google. Switching Flutter to Typescript is something I could easily see happening if Google wanted Flutter to be truly popular.
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      > Dart overlaps in goals almost completely with Typescript As I see it, that's not all that true. Now, it's true, that it's non-native use competes with TypeScript in domain and shares some implementation method details in that domain (e.g., both are languages that rely on compilation to JS in the web domain), but the goals clearly aren't the same. TypeScript's goals are basically limited to static typing and source compatibility with modern JavaScript (that is, it is an goal to be a typed superset of JS.) Dart has a wide array of different goals, including being a typed replacement for JS that is not limited in its other goals by being source-compatible with JS.
riyadparvez 7y ago
> HN: I won't use anything Google makes, they always shut stuff down. You are talking about an extremely vocal minority, who inevitably ends up creating echo chambers. Like everything on earth there are both good and bad vocal minorities. I follow this heuristic about vocal minorities: ignore them when it comes to trivial issues. Online vocal minorities like fanboys who harass directors, writer, or actors are good example of this group. Same goes for the people who constantly complain about Google shutting down some free products. OTOH, I keep close eyes on activists, who are vocal minorities and are fighting for important issues. Activists might not be on the right side of history on every issue, but these are the people who fought for civil rights, LGBTQ rights etc., often at their own personal expense.

detaro 7y ago

It's almost as if HN is a community made of different people with different opinions and not a singular entity.

libria 7y ago
This isn't about who likes what, it's about inconsistent reasoning. If Google creating a language is reason to believe it will die, why does that apply to Dart and not Go? This assumes you've observed the much higher popularity for Go and lack of it for Dart here on HN (and most elsewhere).
- nl 7y ago
  Go is used at a bunch of major companies outside Google. Dart is only used in Flutter (and apparently Fuchsia). Dart overlaps in goals almost completely with Typescript which is heavily used multiple teams within Google. Switching Flutter to Typescript is something I could easily see happening if Google wanted Flutter to be truly popular.
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > Dart overlaps in goals almost completely with Typescript As I see it, that's not all that true. Now, it's true, that it's non-native use competes with TypeScript in domain and shares some implementation method details in that domain (e.g., both are languages that rely on compilation to JS in the web domain), but the goals clearly aren't the same. TypeScript's goals are basically limited to static typing and source compatibility with modern JavaScript (that is, it is an goal to be a typed superset of JS.) Dart has a wide array of different goals, including being a typed replacement for JS that is not limited in its other goals by being source-compatible with JS.

riyadparvez 7y ago

> HN: I won't use anything Google makes, they always shut stuff down. You are talking about an extremely vocal minority, who inevitably ends up creating echo chambers. Like everything on earth there are both good and bad vocal minorities. I follow this heuristic about vocal minorities: ignore them when it comes to trivial issues. Online vocal minorities like fanboys who harass directors, writer, or actors are good example of this group. Same goes for the people who constantly complain about Google shutting down some free products. OTOH, I keep close eyes on activists, who are vocal minorities and are fighting for important issues. Activists might not be on the right side of history on every issue, but these are the people who fought for civil rights, LGBTQ rights etc., often at their own personal expense.