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> I don't think Apple/Google/Amazone or any other company should need to find ways to "punish" a bad actor. Nor should they be allowed to do so as this is a abu

> I don't think Apple/Google/Amazone or any other company should need to find ways to "punish" a bad actor. Nor should they be allowed to do so as this is a abuse of power and a intervention into politics and moral aspects companies should not do. Nor feel the need to do so. (I mean who decides what constitutes as a "bad actor"). Apple didn’t take any kind of moral decision here. It just enforced its policy for distribution of apps, just like it did for Facebook and Google last year. The decision is not about whether Clearview’s app or service is a threat to society or privacy.

ogre_codes 7y ago
Exactly. A fair number of companies try to use enterprise certificates as a way around Apple's App Store restrictions. The big question is why this company didn't just distribute the software through the App Store. Is it a violation of Apple's App Store policies?
caymanjim 7y ago
> Apple didn’t take any kind of moral decision here. They most certainly did. This is both public virtue signaling and internal employee appeasement. They have good lawyers, so they had the lawyers come up with another reason, but it's purely a moral stance.
- wrboyce 7y ago
  I’d expect someone making claims like that to have receipts for them...
- cthulha 7y ago
  You can disagree with Apple's policies, or the principles and reasoning of others. And I'm sure some of those people are these mythical, awful virtue-signalling hypocrites that people seem to hate so much. But what makes this virtue signalling/hypocritical rather than a values-based decision? Maybe you think Clearview is fine to offer the service, but there are people who disagree based on moral, ethical and practical arguments - and this action seems in line with Apple's stated privacy concerns and prior enforcement of their enterprise distribution agreement.
wilde 7y ago
I mean, I wish that were true. But Apple does a lot of selective enforcement and the app store is full of editorial decisions. I agree with the editorial decision here, and disagree with the HKmap.live editorial decision.

ogre_codes 7y ago

Exactly. A fair number of companies try to use enterprise certificates as a way around Apple's App Store restrictions. The big question is why this company didn't just distribute the software through the App Store. Is it a violation of Apple's App Store policies?

caymanjim 7y ago

> Apple didn’t take any kind of moral decision here. They most certainly did. This is both public virtue signaling and internal employee appeasement. They have good lawyers, so they had the lawyers come up with another reason, but it's purely a moral stance.

wrboyce 7y ago
I’d expect someone making claims like that to have receipts for them...
cthulha 7y ago
You can disagree with Apple's policies, or the principles and reasoning of others. And I'm sure some of those people are these mythical, awful virtue-signalling hypocrites that people seem to hate so much. But what makes this virtue signalling/hypocritical rather than a values-based decision? Maybe you think Clearview is fine to offer the service, but there are people who disagree based on moral, ethical and practical arguments - and this action seems in line with Apple's stated privacy concerns and prior enforcement of their enterprise distribution agreement.

wilde 7y ago

I mean, I wish that were true. But Apple does a lot of selective enforcement and the app store is full of editorial decisions. I agree with the editorial decision here, and disagree with the HKmap.live editorial decision.