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It's utterly trivial to engineer a waterproof phone with a user-removable battery. It's not remotely difficult. I have about a dozen watches that are seriously

It's utterly trivial to engineer a waterproof phone with a user-removable battery. It's not remotely difficult. I have about a dozen watches that are seriously waterproof; I can change the battery in any of them in 5 minutes. There's only one reason Apple batteries are not user-replaceable: Apple makes more money this way because it encourages people to buy new phones.

alkonaut 7y ago
If a phone would be 1mm thicker when having user replacable battery, that means the manufacturer has given up the opportunity to use that 1mm extra thickness for battery capacity. Which is the same as standby time, or performance. Watches usually don't have a problem with cpu performance/standby time so it's perhaps not a good comparison.
- eigenvector 7y ago
  If 1mm worth of battery capacity is important, why do Apple and others keep making phones progressively thinner?
  - alkonaut 7y ago
    They make the phones thinner presumably because people want thinner phones. They want to be as thin as the competition. And as fast. And have as long battery time. And they are all related obviously.
    - bitwize 7y ago
      They kind of are, but the relationship is the wrong way around. Thinness is inversely correlated with battery life, a thicker phone has room for a bigger battery. Thinness also constrains your heat dissipation options, making it more difficult to drive the CPU/GPU at high clock speeds. My phone lives, alone, in my left front pocket. I'd much rather have the benefits of a thicc phone than maximize thinness.
  - macintux 7y ago
    Your question is flawed. The thinnest iPhone? The 6. They’ve been getting progressively thicker since then. https://www.lifewire.com/compare-iphone-models-1999430 https://www.lifewire.com/compare-iphone-models-1999430
    - raverbashing 7y ago
      I think Bendgate was with the iPhone 6 no? (it's sad the legacy of Johnny Ive is now connected stuff that's too thin for regular usage - but it's him to blame!)
- lm28469 7y ago
  > would be 1mm thicker Good lord that would be awful, I'm shivering just thinking about it.

alkonaut 7y ago

If a phone would be 1mm thicker when having user replacable battery, that means the manufacturer has given up the opportunity to use that 1mm extra thickness for battery capacity. Which is the same as standby time, or performance. Watches usually don't have a problem with cpu performance/standby time so it's perhaps not a good comparison.

eigenvector 7y ago
If 1mm worth of battery capacity is important, why do Apple and others keep making phones progressively thinner?
- alkonaut 7y ago
  They make the phones thinner presumably because people want thinner phones. They want to be as thin as the competition. And as fast. And have as long battery time. And they are all related obviously.
  - bitwize 7y ago
    They kind of are, but the relationship is the wrong way around. Thinness is inversely correlated with battery life, a thicker phone has room for a bigger battery. Thinness also constrains your heat dissipation options, making it more difficult to drive the CPU/GPU at high clock speeds. My phone lives, alone, in my left front pocket. I'd much rather have the benefits of a thicc phone than maximize thinness.
- macintux 7y ago
  Your question is flawed. The thinnest iPhone? The 6. They’ve been getting progressively thicker since then. https://www.lifewire.com/compare-iphone-models-1999430 https://www.lifewire.com/compare-iphone-models-1999430
  - raverbashing 7y ago
    I think Bendgate was with the iPhone 6 no? (it's sad the legacy of Johnny Ive is now connected stuff that's too thin for regular usage - but it's him to blame!)
lm28469 7y ago
> would be 1mm thicker Good lord that would be awful, I'm shivering just thinking about it.