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I can't shake off the thought half of the comments defending Apple are written by people working at/for Apple. Or earning 300k+ 1 - 2 hours are required https:

I can't shake off the thought half of the comments defending Apple are written by people working at/for Apple. Or earning 300k+ 1 - 2 hours are required https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+11+Battery+Replacement/127450 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+11+Battery+Replacement/1... That's 2 hours of a technician + 2 houurs + driving there/back. 115,00€ https://www.ifixers.be/en/repair/smartphone/apple/iphone-xr https://www.ifixers.be/en/repair/smartphone/apple/iphone-xr 105,00€ https://www.ifixers.be/en/repair/smartphone/apple/iphone-8-0 https://www.ifixers.be/en/repair/smartphone/apple/iphone-8-0 For newer models battery replacement is not even offered. Samsung is not any better at €95 https://www.ifixers.be/en/repair/smartphone/samsung/galaxy-note-9-sm-n960 https://www.ifixers.be/en/repair/smartphone/samsung/galaxy-n... Cheaper at the original store https://www.samsung.com/be/reparatie/mobile/ https://www.samsung.com/be/reparatie/mobile/ With Note 4 battery replacement took 10s and involved popping the plastick back off the phone. Tangentially, changing a H7 lightbulb in my Ford involves taking out the front harness and the whole reflector - meaning light realignmen at the shop is needed. Replacing the car battery is even worse, cant imagine doing it myself. At some point some manager must have invented a user story "as a user I want to spend €500 in car service to change the battery instead of the usual €0".

ThePhysicist 7y ago
Wow, that is twice as expensive as Apples pricing for a battery change: https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/service/battery-power https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/service/battery-powe... Why would anyone do that instead of getting an official replacement?
alkonaut 7y ago
An original battery change (at an apple store) in expensive Sweden is €77 and that's for the new/more expensive models. Previous models are even cheaper than that. Buying an original apple iphone 11 battery is almost that much for the battery alone (if you can find one). Quick googling shows they are around €70 though it's hard to say how "original" a battery really is online. So you really aren't paying much for the replacement work itself and that's what matters. One needs to factor the battery cost out of the cost of battery+replacement to discuss the benefit of user replacement. You can buy third party batteries for as low as €30 for some models and you then have to replace it or find someone to do it. No matter how you do, you'll likely never be paying more than say €30 for the replacement (work). and this replacement service is something that is needed either zero times or once for a product that costs around €1000 new. (Edit: original replacement by apple is €55 or €75 in Belgium too - same prices everywhere effectively) https://support.apple.com/nl-be/iphone/repair/service/battery-power https://support.apple.com/nl-be/iphone/repair/service/batter...)
ryanlol 7y ago
> That's 2 hours of a technician I don’t know what kind of technicians you’re working with, but usually this takes more like 20 minutes. If someone needs more than 30 minutes to do this, it’s probably their first time.
perl4ever 7y ago
I had a tailight go out, it's new enough to be led, with a built in circuit board, so as it was extensively corroded, the whole module had to be replaced for about $200...but also lots of interior trim had to be taken apart to get access which the dealer would have charged me hundreds for. I think the 12V battery is probably not hard to physically replace, but I believe the electronics are locked to genuine batteries in some way. I was recently reminded how in the US, car headlights used to be standardized. When I was a kid, even though I was fascinated with cars, I never really noticed it. But then we gave it up, and now there's tremendous flexibility in styling, but at a large cost. It really is valuable for government to force standards on people, even if there is a tradeoff and they can overdo it.

ThePhysicist 7y ago

Wow, that is twice as expensive as Apples pricing for a battery change: https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/service/battery-power https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/service/battery-powe... Why would anyone do that instead of getting an official replacement?

alkonaut 7y ago

An original battery change (at an apple store) in expensive Sweden is €77 and that's for the new/more expensive models. Previous models are even cheaper than that. Buying an original apple iphone 11 battery is almost that much for the battery alone (if you can find one). Quick googling shows they are around €70 though it's hard to say how "original" a battery really is online. So you really aren't paying much for the replacement work itself and that's what matters. One needs to factor the battery cost out of the cost of battery+replacement to discuss the benefit of user replacement. You can buy third party batteries for as low as €30 for some models and you then have to replace it or find someone to do it. No matter how you do, you'll likely never be paying more than say €30 for the replacement (work). and this replacement service is something that is needed either zero times or once for a product that costs around €1000 new. (Edit: original replacement by apple is €55 or €75 in Belgium too - same prices everywhere effectively) https://support.apple.com/nl-be/iphone/repair/service/battery-power https://support.apple.com/nl-be/iphone/repair/service/batter...)

ryanlol 7y ago

> That's 2 hours of a technician I don’t know what kind of technicians you’re working with, but usually this takes more like 20 minutes. If someone needs more than 30 minutes to do this, it’s probably their first time.

perl4ever 7y ago

I had a tailight go out, it's new enough to be led, with a built in circuit board, so as it was extensively corroded, the whole module had to be replaced for about $200...but also lots of interior trim had to be taken apart to get access which the dealer would have charged me hundreds for. I think the 12V battery is probably not hard to physically replace, but I believe the electronics are locked to genuine batteries in some way. I was recently reminded how in the US, car headlights used to be standardized. When I was a kid, even though I was fascinated with cars, I never really noticed it. But then we gave it up, and now there's tremendous flexibility in styling, but at a large cost. It really is valuable for government to force standards on people, even if there is a tradeoff and they can overdo it.